Yay for Bacchus!

I am a self sufficient 26yr old that makes more than my fiancé. As he’s so bad with money his wages go into my account and I sort out the bills. We’re both happy with this, as we both get to but what we like out of the remaining disposable income.

As you can no doubt tell, I’m a bit of a control freak.

However, in the bedroom department I am a submissive in a D&S & BDSM way that would make BB scream in rage, and I think that’s fine.

If people want to watch, that’s fine too. If I could find someone to pay me to do it - even better :)

Lots of girls really do like this kind of thing………

I thought about replying, but I don’t really want to put a lot of effort into a reply that will be dismissed as soon as it’s read. (which it would - posters who disagree with her are usually ridiculed.)

Besides, who knows what she would say about spanking videos… nevermind that I know several video actors and actresses as well as producers and guess what? No guns, no violence, no rapes, no coercion… just lots and lots of spanking. :)

Ha! No, they don’t — just check out the October 22 post titled “Here’s Your Free Speech, You Fuckers”. Includes a gratuitous suggestion that Eros Blog readers read stories more vile than the notorious Jake Baker rape/snuff email, and concludes with “There’s no civility left in my tiny cold black hard for fuckers who scream “free speech” at me anymore…. If this is “free speech”, I’m starting a foundation to turn us into a nation of mutes.”

No, they don’t have any trouble arguing against free speech.

I may have been socially conditioned to stay at home and wash dishes (although I went to law school and now I write smut), but as a feminist and someone who has spent a great deal of time discussing patriarchy and oppression, I must step off the bus when it comes to the argument that being a sexual submissive is a social condition of sexism.

Now, are there misogynistic assholes out there who use BDSM as a cloak to abuse their wives/partners/subs? Hell yes. Abusers are clever, they’ll use what they can. But it’s faulty logic to extrapolate that out to make it the norm.

In any case, I do agree that one should check out their porn source. But I check out the people who make my shoes too. I don’t find a huge amount of comfort in assurances by the makers of these movies that women in the third world (and yes, the Czech Republic is on the brink of the third world and certainly most of Eastern Europe is) are just fine. But you know, women in the first world do things for money they wouldn’t normally do either and where do you draw the line? Certainly at using violence and coercion to force women to be abused for money, but again, I could argue that lots of things not even porn related are using the threat of violence to get people to do things for money. That’s what desperation will do to you.

Okay, this is long and turning into an essay on class and gender so I’ll quit now.

The thrust of Biting Beaver’s argument is that you shouldn’t place trust in an industry where even the most mainstream publishers (her examples: Playboy, Penthouse) have unwittingly published photos of (maybe) coerced or underage girls (examples: Linda Lovelace, Traci Lords).

That there are only a couple of proven examples to point to makes the argument weak, but that’s not Biting Beaver’s point. The absurd unlikelihood of legitimate porn producers knowingly distributing evidence of a crime is also not the point.

She advocates the closure of the entire porn industry, based on the unavoidable possibility of coercion occuring in some porn, somewhere, sometime. Planting the seed of doubt in reader’s minds by making them question how well they know their porn sources is a victory in itself.

Bacchus, you make your point here extremely well (pun intended), but the “my porn is OK, I checked” argument means nothing to these people.

In my tortuous, masochistic attempts to debate directly with BB, I realised that there is one issue that they always sidestep, ignore, refuse to comment on.

It’s *possible* for consensual pornography to be made. This is clearly a free speech issue, a right that is (in the US at least) constitutionally protected.

They don’t like this, but they have a hard time arguing against it.

After being on many a porn set, I don’t know if it’s actually possible to produce non-consensual porn without being arrested on the spot. Adult productions are more professional and ethical than any mainstream or commercial shoot I’ve ever been on. Porn industry people deal with legal threats, lawsuits and paranoid outcries of violence and misogyny every single day they go to work. These companies go out of their way to make sure everyone knows what’s going on. This means booking, scene/shot breakdown, blocking, etc. Being on a porn set is actually very unsexy and non-threatening.

By law, filming sex must be consensual. It makes no sense to shoot non-consensual sex with unwilling performers and risk jail time when there are plenty of eager women and men (whether eager for money or pleasure) who readily agree to shoot the kind of footage that makes people wince.

As for that HARDCORE producer with the bad reputation, I think his work is a perfect example of porn that gets called out for being what it *appears* to be: non-consensual sex. The molestation/rape/coercion fantasy is a HUGE red flag, and (I’d argue) an even bigger turn-on because of that.

I’ve always been a Max Hardcore fan because he pushes the limits in ways that even I can’t stomach sometimes. But what you see on camera is not what’s happening behind the scenes. I don’t think he wants his fans to know that each performer is put through literally the most detailed consent/compliance process in American porn. It might ruin the taboo to know that the girl who looks like she’s crying and being molested has actually consented to everything she’s doing, or having done to her, on both paper and video, prior to engaging in such demeaning and misogynistic acts.

Max Hardcore’s record keeping is probably the most detailed and, uh, anal, that I’ve seen in the industry, and the girls are shown exactly what they’ll be getting into before he starts shooting the scene.

Yes, there have been several girls who’ve had bad experiences with him. He’s certainly not for everyone. But these girls are shown (in great detail) what they’re signing up for, and basically checking off what they are and aren’t willing to do. Watch his videos closely, and you’ll see how carefully he follows each performer’s “consent list.”

If they’ve had a bad experience while doing Max Hardcore videos, it’s not because they didn’t know what to expect, or because he pulled a surprise act to shock them. It’s because they’re not cut out for shooting that kind of footage, and they probably don’t need to be doing any kind of porn or sex work at all.

The FBI has their guns aimed at Max Hardcore’s head (literally - he was just raided for the third time three weeks ago) - he’s not a stupid man; he knows he has been pushing the limits of American porn for over 10 years, and he covers his ass as much as he can. He may not make the kind of porn you enjoy (at least, not openly), and he might turn your stomach, but his product sells like crazy because he’s the only person in this country who has the balls to produce such hard footage. I respect him for that - and he’s actually a pretty nice guy.

I’m glad he has the freedom to make his disgusting filth, and I’m glad I have the freedom to buy every second of it.

P.S. It might be of interest to know that over 40% of all Max Hardcore retail consumers are female. I haven’t met a lady yet who doesn’t enjoy some form of coercion fantasy. It’s a huge turn on, and one that I wish pornographers could comfortably and *consensually* explore more.