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		<title>By: Dr.Whiplash</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-64561</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Whiplash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anecdotally speaking, it's been my experience that married or not, the frequency of sex wanes, not waxes, as the life of the relationship progresses, so if here's no sex before, you're not even likely to be the recipient of flirtations afterward...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotally speaking, it&#8217;s been my experience that married or not, the frequency of sex wanes, not waxes, as the life of the relationship progresses, so if here&#8217;s no sex before, you&#8217;re not even likely to be the recipient of flirtations afterward&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rpgwhore</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8646</link>
		<dc:creator>rpgwhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 13:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a virgin on my wedding night. I don't recommend it. After three years of marriage (together 7 year before that and lived together for one) I still have a vivacious appatite for sex, I just dislike intercourse. Fortunatly my husband (also a virgin) is patient, we go slow and do lots of other things. Maybe if people are willing to expariment,take thier time and above all else communicate more wedding night virgins would learn to enjoy sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a virgin on my wedding night. I don&#8217;t recommend it. After three years of marriage (together 7 year before that and lived together for one) I still have a vivacious appatite for sex, I just dislike intercourse. Fortunatly my husband (also a virgin) is patient, we go slow and do lots of other things. Maybe if people are willing to expariment,take thier time and above all else communicate more wedding night virgins would learn to enjoy sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Stud Puppy</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8461</link>
		<dc:creator>Stud Puppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I wish I'd heard Smith's comments before my first marriage. Good Christians, my fiancee and I waited until after the wedding. I'm now on my second marriage with whom I have a great sexual connection which we exploited immediately. Subsequently, I've advised both my daughters to not consider marriage until they had sex. (Though I have also advised them not to consider sex until they're reasonably certain they want to marry the person.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I wish I&#8217;d heard Smith&#8217;s comments before my first marriage. Good Christians, my fiancee and I waited until after the wedding. I&#8217;m now on my second marriage with whom I have a great sexual connection which we exploited immediately. Subsequently, I&#8217;ve advised both my daughters to not consider marriage until they had sex. (Though I have also advised them not to consider sex until they&#8217;re reasonably certain they want to marry the person.)</p>
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		<title>By: Decnavda</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8180</link>
		<dc:creator>Decnavda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smith's quote does not say "my wife" or "this particular woman" or "Mary".  The quote says, "a woman", which is a gramatical way of universalizing the statement.

I shared my experience as being about my wife.  There was nothing in my statement which can be construed as suggesting that my experience is universal or even common.  Simply my experience of one data point.

I then questioned how many data points Smith could have.  I was not saying I was right and he was wrong - how could I, as one anecdote does not contradict another.  I WAS suggesting that the gramatical universalizing of his experience was wrong.

Without more context, I think my interpretation of Smith's intent was correct.  I can see a non-frivilous argument that I may have read too much into it when thinking it was meant as universal, or at least as a general rule.  However, I cannot see a non-frivilous agrument for reading my intent as suggesting that my experience is universal or common, and I remain perplexed at your hostility to my attempt to make the exact same point that you then tried to make against me.

If you had responded to me by suggesting I was reading too much into Smith's quote, that would have been much more appropriate than reading the same non-existant intent in my statement, with far less gramatical support, and then using your misreading of my statement to attack my logic skills.  And then, after I explained I was making the same point you tried to use against me, you AGAIN accussed me of "play[ing] the â€œIâ€™m right and youâ€™re wrongâ€? game.

I *suspect* your hostility comes from the fact that you agree that Smith's quote is, if not universal, the general rule ("a common and valuable human experience heâ€™s sharing, one Iâ€™ve heard about from many sources"), and, applying common with-us-or-against-us reasoning, assumed that anyone questioning your beliefs must be asserting an opposing belief.  But that is just a suspicion, I could be wrong.  Perhaps you just hate people whose screen names begin with a D and end with an a.  Or perhaps you just always argue with the 6th commenter as a debating exercise, I don't come here often enough, so I don't know.  It IS clear that your hostility has nothing to do with trying make a reasonable interpretation of what I wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smith&#8217;s quote does not say &#8220;my wife&#8221; or &#8220;this particular woman&#8221; or &#8220;Mary&#8221;.  The quote says, &#8220;a woman&#8221;, which is a gramatical way of universalizing the statement.</p>
<p>I shared my experience as being about my wife.  There was nothing in my statement which can be construed as suggesting that my experience is universal or even common.  Simply my experience of one data point.</p>
<p>I then questioned how many data points Smith could have.  I was not saying I was right and he was wrong - how could I, as one anecdote does not contradict another.  I WAS suggesting that the gramatical universalizing of his experience was wrong.</p>
<p>Without more context, I think my interpretation of Smith&#8217;s intent was correct.  I can see a non-frivilous argument that I may have read too much into it when thinking it was meant as universal, or at least as a general rule.  However, I cannot see a non-frivilous agrument for reading my intent as suggesting that my experience is universal or common, and I remain perplexed at your hostility to my attempt to make the exact same point that you then tried to make against me.</p>
<p>If you had responded to me by suggesting I was reading too much into Smith&#8217;s quote, that would have been much more appropriate than reading the same non-existant intent in my statement, with far less gramatical support, and then using your misreading of my statement to attack my logic skills.  And then, after I explained I was making the same point you tried to use against me, you AGAIN accussed me of &#8220;play[ing] the â€œIâ€™m right and youâ€™re wrongâ€? game.</p>
<p>I *suspect* your hostility comes from the fact that you agree that Smith&#8217;s quote is, if not universal, the general rule (&#8221;a common and valuable human experience heâ€™s sharing, one Iâ€™ve heard about from many sources&#8221;), and, applying common with-us-or-against-us reasoning, assumed that anyone questioning your beliefs must be asserting an opposing belief.  But that is just a suspicion, I could be wrong.  Perhaps you just hate people whose screen names begin with a D and end with an a.  Or perhaps you just always argue with the 6th commenter as a debating exercise, I don&#8217;t come here often enough, so I don&#8217;t know.  It IS clear that your hostility has nothing to do with trying make a reasonable interpretation of what I wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8132</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Decnavda, I don't want these threads to turn into logic 101.  If the quote author had been, or I had been, asserting universal truth, your comment would make more sense.  But what I see is one man sharing his experience, another man sharing contrary experience, and then the second man (you) snidely suggesting that the first man must be wrong, if he only has the one anecdote to counter yours.  

You can't refute something that never got claimed.  And when you argue with stories by telling a different story, it's arrogant to then say "I win unless you have more stories than I do."  Which is the implication I took from your comment.

As for my own view, I quoted the quote because it's a common and valuable human experience he's sharing, one I've heard about from many sources.  Universal?  Obviously not, nor did anybody ever say so.  But is it an experience worth sharing, a potential state of affairs worth considering and commenting on?  Of course it is.  And so, too, is yours, if only you had refrained from trying to play the "I'm right and you're wrong" game after sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decnavda, I don&#8217;t want these threads to turn into logic 101.  If the quote author had been, or I had been, asserting universal truth, your comment would make more sense.  But what I see is one man sharing his experience, another man sharing contrary experience, and then the second man (you) snidely suggesting that the first man must be wrong, if he only has the one anecdote to counter yours.  </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t refute something that never got claimed.  And when you argue with stories by telling a different story, it&#8217;s arrogant to then say &#8220;I win unless you have more stories than I do.&#8221;  Which is the implication I took from your comment.</p>
<p>As for my own view, I quoted the quote because it&#8217;s a common and valuable human experience he&#8217;s sharing, one I&#8217;ve heard about from many sources.  Universal?  Obviously not, nor did anybody ever say so.  But is it an experience worth sharing, a potential state of affairs worth considering and commenting on?  Of course it is.  And so, too, is yours, if only you had refrained from trying to play the &#8220;I&#8217;m right and you&#8217;re wrong&#8221; game after sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Decnavda</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8131</link>
		<dc:creator>Decnavda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bacchus -
   Actually, you CAN refute an anecdote with an anecdote.  The point of the contrary anecdote is to demonstrate that the first anecdote does not describe a universal truth.  As for your claim that "One anecdote is as valid as another, and none of them prove anything," EXACTLY.  That was MY point.  I never implied that my experience was typical.  L. Neil Smith's quote there DOES make such an implication.
   If you do not think that either anecdote proves anything, why did you post Smith's?  And if you agree that my anecdote is as valid as his (0=0), why do you seem to be irritated by my anecdote but not his?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacchus -<br />
   Actually, you CAN refute an anecdote with an anecdote.  The point of the contrary anecdote is to demonstrate that the first anecdote does not describe a universal truth.  As for your claim that &#8220;One anecdote is as valid as another, and none of them prove anything,&#8221; EXACTLY.  That was MY point.  I never implied that my experience was typical.  L. Neil Smith&#8217;s quote there DOES make such an implication.<br />
   If you do not think that either anecdote proves anything, why did you post Smith&#8217;s?  And if you agree that my anecdote is as valid as his (0=0), why do you seem to be irritated by my anecdote but not his?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8114</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  

I guess that is the reason I have sex with my wife more then the average husband.  I help around the house.

It is all about taking care of eachother's needs.  She needs help with the house work and I need sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  </p>
<p>I guess that is the reason I have sex with my wife more then the average husband.  I help around the house.</p>
<p>It is all about taking care of eachother&#8217;s needs.  She needs help with the house work and I need sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8086</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sage lives up to her name.

I often hear 'anecdotal evidence' about how women find a clean house sexy, because it means their man has put some effort and thought into a gesture for her. Most men don't care too much about a messy house (no surprises), but most women do (for whatever reason). The fewer things on a someone's to-do list, they more they can relax and enjoy themselves.

If you want your partner to be more relaxed, take a few things off that to-do list for her. Make the kid's lunches, clean up, wash the dishes, do some laundry. 

What's more manly, sitting in front of the TV while your wife cleans up, or having wild sex with your wife because the housekeeping was done as a joint effort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sage lives up to her name.</p>
<p>I often hear &#8216;anecdotal evidence&#8217; about how women find a clean house sexy, because it means their man has put some effort and thought into a gesture for her. Most men don&#8217;t care too much about a messy house (no surprises), but most women do (for whatever reason). The fewer things on a someone&#8217;s to-do list, they more they can relax and enjoy themselves.</p>
<p>If you want your partner to be more relaxed, take a few things off that to-do list for her. Make the kid&#8217;s lunches, clean up, wash the dishes, do some laundry. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more manly, sitting in front of the TV while your wife cleans up, or having wild sex with your wife because the housekeeping was done as a joint effort?</p>
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		<title>By: sage</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2006/08/28/no-sex-before-no-sex-after/#comment-8056</link>
		<dc:creator>sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 02:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another version of events...  Having kids can change a lot of things about a woman's drive.  Spontaneity can go by the wayside, exhaustion plays a role, and it's still a common thing for the woman to carry more than her share of the family burden -- often while she's working full-time outside the home. Maybe if a guy gives the little woman a hand, she'll find herself more inclined to take care of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another version of events&#8230;  Having kids can change a lot of things about a woman&#8217;s drive.  Spontaneity can go by the wayside, exhaustion plays a role, and it&#8217;s still a common thing for the woman to carry more than her share of the family burden &#8212; often while she&#8217;s working full-time outside the home. Maybe if a guy gives the little woman a hand, she&#8217;ll find herself more inclined to take care of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main reasons, but NOT the only reason, I married my wife was because of her healthy sex drive.  We have now been married for 6 years and have two daughters.  We have sex about 2 times a week.  I guess that is most then most married men in my position but if that is how much sex I was getting before we got married, things would have been different.

Sex may not be the most important thing in marriage but without it you don't have a marriage at all, you have a roommate.  I don't need a roommate, I need a wife.

If you don't take care of your man, then he will find someone who will.  That is just a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main reasons, but NOT the only reason, I married my wife was because of her healthy sex drive.  We have now been married for 6 years and have two daughters.  We have sex about 2 times a week.  I guess that is most then most married men in my position but if that is how much sex I was getting before we got married, things would have been different.</p>
<p>Sex may not be the most important thing in marriage but without it you don&#8217;t have a marriage at all, you have a roommate.  I don&#8217;t need a roommate, I need a wife.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t take care of your man, then he will find someone who will.  That is just a fact.</p>
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