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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/02/17/an-economist-confused-about-porn/#comment-36559</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you make up your definitions, anything can be anything else that you define it to be.  "Addiction" is a catchy word that we use to justify various regulatory, medical, or psychological interventions; since it tends to be used in a way that minimizes free will and personal responsibility, I tend to be skeptical of overbroad definitions.

If someone wants to spend four hours a day looking at porn, who the hell are you to say that's a problem?  I'm getting the whiff of a do-gooder busybody here.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you make up your definitions, anything can be anything else that you define it to be.  &#8220;Addiction&#8221; is a catchy word that we use to justify various regulatory, medical, or psychological interventions; since it tends to be used in a way that minimizes free will and personal responsibility, I tend to be skeptical of overbroad definitions.</p>
<p>If someone wants to spend four hours a day looking at porn, who the hell are you to say that&#8217;s a problem?  I&#8217;m getting the whiff of a do-gooder busybody here.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: e-head</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/02/17/an-economist-confused-about-porn/#comment-36523</link>
		<dc:creator>e-head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 18:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pornography can certainly be an addiction for some people. Addiction is roughly defined as "uncontrolled, compulsive use", that generally leads to bad consequences. Under this definition, I've no doubt some people out there are addicted to pornography, as well as food, sex, drugs, alcohol, shopping, gambling, etc... Virtually any activity that people find pleasurable can lead to addiction in certain people.

I have a friend that lost his job because he was looking at pornography at work, and I've known others that lost their girlfriends/wifes.

Note, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with pornography, or that I think it should be outlawed simply because some people take it too far, but it certainly can be addictive. I'd say if anyone is looking at it more than 4 hours a day then perhaps they may have an addiction issue. After all, considering what you get out of it, I'm not sure 4 hours a day is worth it, and it almost certainly is having negative consequences. I'd say the same thing for TV or video games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pornography can certainly be an addiction for some people. Addiction is roughly defined as &#8220;uncontrolled, compulsive use&#8221;, that generally leads to bad consequences. Under this definition, I&#8217;ve no doubt some people out there are addicted to pornography, as well as food, sex, drugs, alcohol, shopping, gambling, etc&#8230; Virtually any activity that people find pleasurable can lead to addiction in certain people.</p>
<p>I have a friend that lost his job because he was looking at pornography at work, and I&#8217;ve known others that lost their girlfriends/wifes.</p>
<p>Note, I&#8217;m not saying there is anything wrong with pornography, or that I think it should be outlawed simply because some people take it too far, but it certainly can be addictive. I&#8217;d say if anyone is looking at it more than 4 hours a day then perhaps they may have an addiction issue. After all, considering what you get out of it, I&#8217;m not sure 4 hours a day is worth it, and it almost certainly is having negative consequences. I&#8217;d say the same thing for TV or video games.</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/02/17/an-economist-confused-about-porn/#comment-22133</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lola, your economic reasoning with respect to the effect of changing incomes on "new" porn consumption seems sound to me.  However, I should share with you that in the online porn industry, the "received wisdom" is that in economic hard times, porn sales actually go up.  I can't tell you if it's true or not -- real statistics don't exist, not in public anyway -- but the "story" to explain it involves a lot of unemployed folks sitting home alone and in a bad mood between job interviews, turning to some quality new porn to cheer themselves up or alleviate boredom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lola, your economic reasoning with respect to the effect of changing incomes on &#8220;new&#8221; porn consumption seems sound to me.  However, I should share with you that in the online porn industry, the &#8220;received wisdom&#8221; is that in economic hard times, porn sales actually go up.  I can&#8217;t tell you if it&#8217;s true or not &#8212; real statistics don&#8217;t exist, not in public anyway &#8212; but the &#8220;story&#8221; to explain it involves a lot of unemployed folks sitting home alone and in a bad mood between job interviews, turning to some quality new porn to cheer themselves up or alleviate boredom.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 06:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"why people are willing to pay money for new and fresh (and scarce) porn"

This is hilarious, and yet, so totally cool. I'm taking an Econ course right now and will be forwarding your post to my professor. 

According to what I've learned, you also have to take into account the fact that consumers' incomes change. When incomes grow, people tend more for what's called "normal" goods, when the income is reduced folks go for "inferior" goods. IE, I make more money, I buy the better, faster, kinkier, newer porn. I lose my job and I'm back on the re-runs and old shows I've saved from days of yore. [Another ie, get a raise - buy new clothes, lose income go back to shopping at a second hand store.]

Right now, unemployment in the US is pretty low, I believe, so I bet demand and quantity demanded for porn is up. But I bet if you checked the membership purchases on porn websites or even the proliferation of porn websites or videos post-Dot Com Bust, you'd see that the numbers dropped. 

And this is in addition to the fact that we have changing, evolving tastes. Like you said, B, why subside on canned peas and blocks of cheddar cheese when we can afford organic, fresh, varied veggies and gourmet fromage? 

Clearly, this Professor is just fishing for someone to share their account password to Sex &#38; Submission with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why people are willing to pay money for new and fresh (and scarce) porn&#8221;</p>
<p>This is hilarious, and yet, so totally cool. I&#8217;m taking an Econ course right now and will be forwarding your post to my professor. </p>
<p>According to what I&#8217;ve learned, you also have to take into account the fact that consumers&#8217; incomes change. When incomes grow, people tend more for what&#8217;s called &#8220;normal&#8221; goods, when the income is reduced folks go for &#8220;inferior&#8221; goods. IE, I make more money, I buy the better, faster, kinkier, newer porn. I lose my job and I&#8217;m back on the re-runs and old shows I&#8217;ve saved from days of yore. [Another ie, get a raise - buy new clothes, lose income go back to shopping at a second hand store.]</p>
<p>Right now, unemployment in the US is pretty low, I believe, so I bet demand and quantity demanded for porn is up. But I bet if you checked the membership purchases on porn websites or even the proliferation of porn websites or videos post-Dot Com Bust, you&#8217;d see that the numbers dropped. </p>
<p>And this is in addition to the fact that we have changing, evolving tastes. Like you said, B, why subside on canned peas and blocks of cheddar cheese when we can afford organic, fresh, varied veggies and gourmet fromage? </p>
<p>Clearly, this Professor is just fishing for someone to share their account password to Sex &amp; Submission with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Tickled Pink</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/02/17/an-economist-confused-about-porn/#comment-20972</link>
		<dc:creator>Tickled Pink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 13:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dragon Says:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"Fascinating insight into the industry trends! It gets me wondering" .... "where - if anywhere - the porno-net of the 1990s that I grew up on is stockpiled."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Check out the "Internet Archive" at http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
It's far from complete 'cos many sites had "robots-nofollow" or "noarchive" tags, but it's amusing when it works.  Sadly, something appears to have buggered the index and a bunch of the old links aren't found any longer, but it's still amazing at times!</description>
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<blockquote><p>&#8220;Fascinating insight into the industry trends! It gets me wondering&#8221; &#8230;. &#8220;where - if anywhere - the porno-net of the 1990s that I grew up on is stockpiled.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Check out the &#8220;Internet Archive&#8221; at <a href="http://www.archive.org/web/web.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/web/web.php</a><br />
It&#8217;s far from complete &#8216;cos many sites had &#8220;robots-nofollow&#8221; or &#8220;noarchive&#8221; tags, but it&#8217;s amusing when it works.  Sadly, something appears to have buggered the index and a bunch of the old links aren&#8217;t found any longer, but it&#8217;s still amazing at times!</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/02/17/an-economist-confused-about-porn/#comment-20888</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eccentrica, I won't use them interchangeably if you won't accuse me of doing so when I haven't!

I'm a guy, I know how guys watch porn.  I have very little idea how women do.  So I couldn't have said "people" in that sentence.  I could in the sentence before, because I know that tastes change for both men and women.

Thanks for the data point on women and porn, I do appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eccentrica, I won&#8217;t use them interchangeably if you won&#8217;t accuse me of doing so when I haven&#8217;t!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a guy, I know how guys watch porn.  I have very little idea how women do.  So I couldn&#8217;t have said &#8220;people&#8221; in that sentence.  I could in the sentence before, because I know that tastes change for both men and women.</p>
<p>Thanks for the data point on women and porn, I do appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eccentrica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eccentrica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a 26-year-old woman and I watch porn in the way you describe here: 'to use the images on the screen to stimulate the somewhat different movies in their own heads'. I agree with most of what you say, but I wish you didn't use 'people' and 'guys' interchangeably! Not all porn-watchers are male (even if the vast majority are). Other than that, excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a 26-year-old woman and I watch porn in the way you describe here: &#8216;to use the images on the screen to stimulate the somewhat different movies in their own heads&#8217;. I agree with most of what you say, but I wish you didn&#8217;t use &#8216;people&#8217; and &#8216;guys&#8217; interchangeably! Not all porn-watchers are male (even if the vast majority are). Other than that, excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating insight into the industry trends!  It gets me wondering when "everything old [will be] new again" and where - if anywhere - the porno-net of the 1990s that I grew up on is stockpiled.  For that matter, I'm now curious to "investigate" some of the prior trends in the industry.  Any pointers in the right direction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating insight into the industry trends!  It gets me wondering when &#8220;everything old [will be] new again&#8221; and where - if anywhere - the porno-net of the 1990s that I grew up on is stockpiled.  For that matter, I&#8217;m now curious to &#8220;investigate&#8221; some of the prior trends in the industry.  Any pointers in the right direction?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Whiplash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Whiplash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been said that if you trace them, every sitcom plot is a derivative of an old "I Love Lucy" episode. Yet the network sitcom still thrives. I suppose some people would be perfectly happy to relegate themselves to watching hour after repeated hour of "Gone With the Wind" or "The Sound of Music" over and over again rather than going to the cinema, but as for me, something draws me to newer movies, newer art, and newer porn. Not that I don't appreciate the classics, but some of those old teased-up bee-hive hairdoos on black and white photos of raccoon-eyed models with fake lashes just don't remind me of the sexy honeys I see all around me today. With perhaps the exception of Betti Page, I don't want to see my mother's generation naked. I wanna see modern girls going wild like those in the Aerosmith "Crazy" video played by Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone. That's a 1994 video. Though plenty of porn was made before 1987, please don't make me have to go back much further than that. I'd hate to think that someone wants to tell me that the last two decades of porn were unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been said that if you trace them, every sitcom plot is a derivative of an old &#8220;I Love Lucy&#8221; episode. Yet the network sitcom still thrives. I suppose some people would be perfectly happy to relegate themselves to watching hour after repeated hour of &#8220;Gone With the Wind&#8221; or &#8220;The Sound of Music&#8221; over and over again rather than going to the cinema, but as for me, something draws me to newer movies, newer art, and newer porn. Not that I don&#8217;t appreciate the classics, but some of those old teased-up bee-hive hairdoos on black and white photos of raccoon-eyed models with fake lashes just don&#8217;t remind me of the sexy honeys I see all around me today. With perhaps the exception of Betti Page, I don&#8217;t want to see my mother&#8217;s generation naked. I wanna see modern girls going wild like those in the Aerosmith &#8220;Crazy&#8221; video played by Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone. That&#8217;s a 1994 video. Though plenty of porn was made before 1987, please don&#8217;t make me have to go back much further than that. I&#8217;d hate to think that someone wants to tell me that the last two decades of porn were unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: ravenously</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravenously</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Bacchus!  I would also like to see more discussion on this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Bacchus!  I would also like to see more discussion on this topic.</p>
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