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		<title>By: critter</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40617</link>
		<dc:creator>critter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stripnation, as I  see it, isn't about the forefront of the discussion.  And frankly, the woes of the trendsetters are immaterial to me.

As a male, I've never been particularly concerned with external forces teling me how to be a human.   And as females, the same applies.   Conformity is just retarded.

That said, what is rather gorgeous about the Stripnaton is that it is the first time in my 40 years that a woman's sexuality is uniquely considered their own.  Not the one dimensional script that supposedly is male fantasy.   

It is possible to be smart, and powerfull and slutty.   And to own them all, and transform between them, rather than having  to pick one and exploit it.

It's part of the pendulm swing that encompasses all of what it is to be human.   The cost is only suffered by those who regard stripnation as a cultural fad and chose "stripper" as their personea.

But for the larger culture,  it means the madonna's are whores and to draw those distinctions is to increasingly be the guy in a white hood, trying to muster a lynching in the suburbs.

It never made sense to me, the label of whore, slut, etc.   I'm a whore and a slut and a human who snuggles.  So why is that bad?

Stripnation seems part of that cultral pendulum swing that recognizes humans are the pendulum.   And all is ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stripnation, as I  see it, isn&#8217;t about the forefront of the discussion.  And frankly, the woes of the trendsetters are immaterial to me.</p>
<p>As a male, I&#8217;ve never been particularly concerned with external forces teling me how to be a human.   And as females, the same applies.   Conformity is just retarded.</p>
<p>That said, what is rather gorgeous about the Stripnaton is that it is the first time in my 40 years that a woman&#8217;s sexuality is uniquely considered their own.  Not the one dimensional script that supposedly is male fantasy.   </p>
<p>It is possible to be smart, and powerfull and slutty.   And to own them all, and transform between them, rather than having  to pick one and exploit it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s part of the pendulm swing that encompasses all of what it is to be human.   The cost is only suffered by those who regard stripnation as a cultural fad and chose &#8220;stripper&#8221; as their personea.</p>
<p>But for the larger culture,  it means the madonna&#8217;s are whores and to draw those distinctions is to increasingly be the guy in a white hood, trying to muster a lynching in the suburbs.</p>
<p>It never made sense to me, the label of whore, slut, etc.   I&#8217;m a whore and a slut and a human who snuggles.  So why is that bad?</p>
<p>Stripnation seems part of that cultral pendulum swing that recognizes humans are the pendulum.   And all is ok.</p>
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		<title>By: copperdawn</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40535</link>
		<dc:creator>copperdawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps the harm, the costs associated with Strip Nation, are precisely because it is female driven. If men tried to make us dress like sluts for them, unless it was specific men we were open to playing those games with, we'd more than likely band together and forget that feminism was ever considered a dirty word.

It's the things we do to ourselves to fit in, to be liked and appreciated, to be desireable, those are the cost. Because of those, instead of a game, and a freedom, the 'strip nation' ideals become the norm in our society. Playing slut is fun when you do it by choice, but it isn't fun, or liberating when you have to do it to be normal - because then you have to do something more extreme to get attention. Eventually, that sort of spiral goes too far, and there is a backlash against it, and everything goes back to repression and shame. 

Besides, a little mystery is a good thing. When long skirts were required wear for women, a flash of ankle was enough to excite a man (or so say the period romances). Now, ankles are commonplace, and you need to flash rather a lot of leg to have the same effect.

You need to have a balance, in a culture, and the cost of not having that - which is what strip nation seems to be about, in some ways, to me - is see-sawing between extreme liberalism, and extreme conservatism, as well as a loss of personal freedoms, and a devaluation of female sexuality.

That's what I think, anyway :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps the harm, the costs associated with Strip Nation, are precisely because it is female driven. If men tried to make us dress like sluts for them, unless it was specific men we were open to playing those games with, we&#8217;d more than likely band together and forget that feminism was ever considered a dirty word.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the things we do to ourselves to fit in, to be liked and appreciated, to be desireable, those are the cost. Because of those, instead of a game, and a freedom, the &#8217;strip nation&#8217; ideals become the norm in our society. Playing slut is fun when you do it by choice, but it isn&#8217;t fun, or liberating when you have to do it to be normal - because then you have to do something more extreme to get attention. Eventually, that sort of spiral goes too far, and there is a backlash against it, and everything goes back to repression and shame. </p>
<p>Besides, a little mystery is a good thing. When long skirts were required wear for women, a flash of ankle was enough to excite a man (or so say the period romances). Now, ankles are commonplace, and you need to flash rather a lot of leg to have the same effect.</p>
<p>You need to have a balance, in a culture, and the cost of not having that - which is what strip nation seems to be about, in some ways, to me - is see-sawing between extreme liberalism, and extreme conservatism, as well as a loss of personal freedoms, and a devaluation of female sexuality.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I think, anyway :)</p>
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		<title>By: KingTaco</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40461</link>
		<dc:creator>KingTaco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr.Whiplash, your last comment frightens me a great deal. If humanity were to ever hit such an extreme in my lifetime I'd retire my penis in the most permanent way possible. /</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr.Whiplash, your last comment frightens me a great deal. If humanity were to ever hit such an extreme in my lifetime I&#8217;d retire my penis in the most permanent way possible. /</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm with justanothergirl's second comment.  It's easy to see this as 100% sexual empowerment, and my God do I ever wish it was. But at the same time, thinking of my actual experiences... there are some very definite social benefits to going along with it (more positive attention and approval from both sexes, feeling and being treated like you fit in, and other such things which are less comfortably achieved during normal life) and some drawbacks if you do not participate (feeling invisible, unattractive and uncool). 

I think it's often more of an institution than a meaningful personal choice, and I'm not sure it extends past being another sheep in a sexy costume and into more fun in bed, better sexual communication, less shame, less of a tendency to slag off women for their sexuality (etc, etc) in everyday life. 

Note that I'm most definitely not saying it harms any of the above either. I'm sure on an individual scale it can go either way.  But I also find it difficult to see it as a sign of sexual enlightenment, much though I would love to think that was the main factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with justanothergirl&#8217;s second comment.  It&#8217;s easy to see this as 100% sexual empowerment, and my God do I ever wish it was. But at the same time, thinking of my actual experiences&#8230; there are some very definite social benefits to going along with it (more positive attention and approval from both sexes, feeling and being treated like you fit in, and other such things which are less comfortably achieved during normal life) and some drawbacks if you do not participate (feeling invisible, unattractive and uncool). </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s often more of an institution than a meaningful personal choice, and I&#8217;m not sure it extends past being another sheep in a sexy costume and into more fun in bed, better sexual communication, less shame, less of a tendency to slag off women for their sexuality (etc, etc) in everyday life. </p>
<p>Note that I&#8217;m most definitely not saying it harms any of the above either. I&#8217;m sure on an individual scale it can go either way.  But I also find it difficult to see it as a sign of sexual enlightenment, much though I would love to think that was the main factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitsquana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitsquana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a large problem is that for a lot of people such things are totally dichotomous, it's all black and white - there's no greys.  If you don't fit into one meme, you are automatically lumped into an antithetical one.  "Sexually free woman" does not necessarily equate to "slut into anal bleaching" - but for a lot of people it probably does.  I can completely understand that many women are thankful to live in a time (or Nation) that allows them to freely explore their sexuality, but at the same time do not wish to be thrown in with that extreme end of the dichotomy.  Sadly a lot of people, unlike yourself Bacchus, or Chelsea Girl, refuse to accept that a person is never entirely one thing or it's opposite, but a collection of disparate elements that can never be contained in one memetic category.  Equally sadly, that's how our society operates and there's not much we can do about it, but i think that's what Chelsea Girl meant, extracting yourself from a normative category and enthusiastically embracing a subversive one can often result in a different, but equally restrictive kind of normativity.  The real challenge is to break down ALL memetic codes, not pick the best one to set up above the rest.  Hah hah, i won't hold my breath! But i agree with you too Bacchus, sometimes it is just necessary to take the good with the bad if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, but we have to be careful not to become locked into a normative dichotomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a large problem is that for a lot of people such things are totally dichotomous, it&#8217;s all black and white - there&#8217;s no greys.  If you don&#8217;t fit into one meme, you are automatically lumped into an antithetical one.  &#8220;Sexually free woman&#8221; does not necessarily equate to &#8220;slut into anal bleaching&#8221; - but for a lot of people it probably does.  I can completely understand that many women are thankful to live in a time (or Nation) that allows them to freely explore their sexuality, but at the same time do not wish to be thrown in with that extreme end of the dichotomy.  Sadly a lot of people, unlike yourself Bacchus, or Chelsea Girl, refuse to accept that a person is never entirely one thing or it&#8217;s opposite, but a collection of disparate elements that can never be contained in one memetic category.  Equally sadly, that&#8217;s how our society operates and there&#8217;s not much we can do about it, but i think that&#8217;s what Chelsea Girl meant, extracting yourself from a normative category and enthusiastically embracing a subversive one can often result in a different, but equally restrictive kind of normativity.  The real challenge is to break down ALL memetic codes, not pick the best one to set up above the rest.  Hah hah, i won&#8217;t hold my breath! But i agree with you too Bacchus, sometimes it is just necessary to take the good with the bad if the benefits outweigh the drawbacks, but we have to be careful not to become locked into a normative dichotomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Whiplash</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40420</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr.Whiplash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doxie Chaste's comment: "...where will our arousal find those lovely whiffs of the forbidden when everyone’s arse is bleached?" brings to mind a good point also addressed recently on a popular nationwide late night radio broadcast. The guest one night spoke of the great and largely little-known strides made recently in military circles with holograms, nano-technology, and high-tech camoflage techniques. One developement allows for a skin on military planes, vehicles, weapons, and uniforms that is rather like a computer monitor that projects an image of the background or some other shape or object, and it was pointed out that soon we will be able to project an image of ourselves to others where we can be virtually any body type we desire, and we can change that image day to day, or even moment to moment depending on current circumstances. One might walk down the street as a caucasian in a schoolgirl uniform at 105 lbs., then upon turning the corner decide to be a 120 lb. black nurse or pole-dancer to attract a specific male pedestrian ...or even change genders! Are we ready for the lunchtime army of Britney Spearses, Lindsay Lohans, and Paris Hiltons on the sidewalks of our major cities (who may in actuality be grandmothers or even grandfathers) who's panties may appear or disappear at will?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doxie Chaste&#8217;s comment: &#8220;&#8230;where will our arousal find those lovely whiffs of the forbidden when everyone’s arse is bleached?&#8221; brings to mind a good point also addressed recently on a popular nationwide late night radio broadcast. The guest one night spoke of the great and largely little-known strides made recently in military circles with holograms, nano-technology, and high-tech camoflage techniques. One developement allows for a skin on military planes, vehicles, weapons, and uniforms that is rather like a computer monitor that projects an image of the background or some other shape or object, and it was pointed out that soon we will be able to project an image of ourselves to others where we can be virtually any body type we desire, and we can change that image day to day, or even moment to moment depending on current circumstances. One might walk down the street as a caucasian in a schoolgirl uniform at 105 lbs., then upon turning the corner decide to be a 120 lb. black nurse or pole-dancer to attract a specific male pedestrian &#8230;or even change genders! Are we ready for the lunchtime army of Britney Spearses, Lindsay Lohans, and Paris Hiltons on the sidewalks of our major cities (who may in actuality be grandmothers or even grandfathers) who&#8217;s panties may appear or disappear at will?</p>
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		<title>By: Doxie Chaste</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40415</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"labiaplasty and anal bleaching"

ouch.

Deanna's comments on media ideals is well taken, but I also see some diversity in the media ideals themselves, albeit stereotypical ones (your black booty girls, the saucy redheads, hot Latinos and the like).

I think it's interesting that so many people responded to this post talking about sexuality as empowerment.  Viva second wave feministas!

My only real worry about the Strip Nation mentality is perhaps a silly one, but one that I often think about.  Given that so many of our thrills have to do with brushing up against our taboos, where will our arousal find those lovely whiffs of the forbidden when everyone's arse is bleached?

*chuckles*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;labiaplasty and anal bleaching&#8221;</p>
<p>ouch.</p>
<p>Deanna&#8217;s comments on media ideals is well taken, but I also see some diversity in the media ideals themselves, albeit stereotypical ones (your black booty girls, the saucy redheads, hot Latinos and the like).</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s interesting that so many people responded to this post talking about sexuality as empowerment.  Viva second wave feministas!</p>
<p>My only real worry about the Strip Nation mentality is perhaps a silly one, but one that I often think about.  Given that so many of our thrills have to do with brushing up against our taboos, where will our arousal find those lovely whiffs of the forbidden when everyone&#8217;s arse is bleached?</p>
<p>*chuckles*</p>
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		<title>By: Avatar</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2007/11/04/life-in-strip-nation/#comment-40403</link>
		<dc:creator>Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 19:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting my two cents into the mix:  I don't know that this "Strip Nation" is generally a good thing or a bad thing, however, it does give many people that feeling of being noticed and desired when normally they may not.  I'm not trying to say that women must dress "slutty" or skimpy to be noticed - and men as there are a lot of the same types of costumes for men - but just to get that feeling of empowerment.  In a society where so many of us work long hours, take fewer and fewer vacations, and the bottom line constantly pokes us in the ribs who can blame some people from releasing all that pent-up tension in more and more risque and attention-grabbing ways?  Many times there is little thought put into it other than, "This'll be great fun!"  This means very little thought on the affect of that decision on society as a whole.  If we all walked around naked all the time, we'd probably be a little less excited about seeing the same thing in a bedroom.  That's not the society that we live in.  Individuals have a set of moralistic rules, societies have another and sometimes they don't match up.  Accept that fact and we can move on.  We will never get to a place in time where we all agree on the same set of morals and we all accept the same things.  We're a world of individuals trying to live in the same place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting my two cents into the mix:  I don&#8217;t know that this &#8220;Strip Nation&#8221; is generally a good thing or a bad thing, however, it does give many people that feeling of being noticed and desired when normally they may not.  I&#8217;m not trying to say that women must dress &#8220;slutty&#8221; or skimpy to be noticed - and men as there are a lot of the same types of costumes for men - but just to get that feeling of empowerment.  In a society where so many of us work long hours, take fewer and fewer vacations, and the bottom line constantly pokes us in the ribs who can blame some people from releasing all that pent-up tension in more and more risque and attention-grabbing ways?  Many times there is little thought put into it other than, &#8220;This&#8217;ll be great fun!&#8221;  This means very little thought on the affect of that decision on society as a whole.  If we all walked around naked all the time, we&#8217;d probably be a little less excited about seeing the same thing in a bedroom.  That&#8217;s not the society that we live in.  Individuals have a set of moralistic rules, societies have another and sometimes they don&#8217;t match up.  Accept that fact and we can move on.  We will never get to a place in time where we all agree on the same set of morals and we all accept the same things.  We&#8217;re a world of individuals trying to live in the same place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Whiplash</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mother nature has given us the miracle of the orgasm to drive us to reproduce. We can't help it. We are hard-wired that way. Few of us have sex with the actual intention to reproduce every time we knock boots. In order to enjoy that grand feeling of climax, we make ourselves as sexually attractive as possible. Sexual attraction is built around signs of health and reproductive readiness. The youthful, smooth-skinned, high-breasted, rouged, puffy-lipped, long shiney-haired, flexible, flat-bellied, curvy-waisted, long-lashed "pole girls" of Strip Nation are models of female reproductive health and sexual readiness. Flaunting their femininity is a natural activity in attracting the greatest number of potential mates to choose from. Repression of women and of sex may come and go as time marches by, but that drive will be with us long after any of the readers here are dead and gone. Your analogy using a diet of candy, ice cream, and high-fructose corn syrup was spot-on. For me variety is the spice of life and the women in my life don't always follow the above mentioned model, however I must admit picturing Andrea Dworkin as a pole-dancer is an image I'd rather not have burned into my brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mother nature has given us the miracle of the orgasm to drive us to reproduce. We can&#8217;t help it. We are hard-wired that way. Few of us have sex with the actual intention to reproduce every time we knock boots. In order to enjoy that grand feeling of climax, we make ourselves as sexually attractive as possible. Sexual attraction is built around signs of health and reproductive readiness. The youthful, smooth-skinned, high-breasted, rouged, puffy-lipped, long shiney-haired, flexible, flat-bellied, curvy-waisted, long-lashed &#8220;pole girls&#8221; of Strip Nation are models of female reproductive health and sexual readiness. Flaunting their femininity is a natural activity in attracting the greatest number of potential mates to choose from. Repression of women and of sex may come and go as time marches by, but that drive will be with us long after any of the readers here are dead and gone. Your analogy using a diet of candy, ice cream, and high-fructose corn syrup was spot-on. For me variety is the spice of life and the women in my life don&#8217;t always follow the above mentioned model, however I must admit picturing Andrea Dworkin as a pole-dancer is an image I&#8217;d rather not have burned into my brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.  I see this phenomena as woman driven but also not.  I think that to an extent, ladies buy into this idea under the  false assumption that there is some kind of good-naughty, boring-fun, repressed-sexual dichotomy.  Yeah it is fun, you get attention, etc, but can you opt out?  I think that the answer isn't always yes.  I think that Strip Nation becomes internalized and a personality crutch and suddenly ladies are stuck with a meme that is only sometimes functional.  And I think there is definately a power aspect.  Absolutely.  And that can become kinda lame sometimes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.  I see this phenomena as woman driven but also not.  I think that to an extent, ladies buy into this idea under the  false assumption that there is some kind of good-naughty, boring-fun, repressed-sexual dichotomy.  Yeah it is fun, you get attention, etc, but can you opt out?  I think that the answer isn&#8217;t always yes.  I think that Strip Nation becomes internalized and a personality crutch and suddenly ladies are stuck with a meme that is only sometimes functional.  And I think there is definately a power aspect.  Absolutely.  And that can become kinda lame sometimes too.</p>
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