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	<title>Comments on: Too Much Great Art Is Treated Like A Dirty Picture Used To Be</title>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/06/21/too-much-great-art-is-treated-like-a-dirty-picture-used-to-be/#comment-77056</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumpdrive, your #1 is unsatisfactory for everybody.  

It's unsatisfactory for the artist, because people don't follow links, especially blind links.  I can't tell you how often I say something and link to the explanation / expansion / background, only to have many commenters ask perfectly basic questions that make it clear they didn't follow the link.

It's unsatisfactory for the reader, because a blind link (no matter what text accompanies it) doesn't satisfy the visual interest or provide the most basic information necessary about whether to follow the link.  When talking about the visual arts, only a sample (low res, sure, thumbnailed, sure, credited, sure, but it's still got to be a visual sample) provides the reader with the info he/she needs.

And finally, it's unsatisfactory for the blogger, because text is grey and most people want to see images when they are discussing image-rich topics.  Blogging about an artist without including a sample of the work is like writing food reviews without any adjectives.  You can do it, sure, but it's stupid and pointless and a waste of everybody's time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jumpdrive, your #1 is unsatisfactory for everybody.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unsatisfactory for the artist, because people don&#8217;t follow links, especially blind links.  I can&#8217;t tell you how often I say something and link to the explanation / expansion / background, only to have many commenters ask perfectly basic questions that make it clear they didn&#8217;t follow the link.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unsatisfactory for the reader, because a blind link (no matter what text accompanies it) doesn&#8217;t satisfy the visual interest or provide the most basic information necessary about whether to follow the link.  When talking about the visual arts, only a sample (low res, sure, thumbnailed, sure, credited, sure, but it&#8217;s still got to be a visual sample) provides the reader with the info he/she needs.</p>
<p>And finally, it&#8217;s unsatisfactory for the blogger, because text is grey and most people want to see images when they are discussing image-rich topics.  Blogging about an artist without including a sample of the work is like writing food reviews without any adjectives.  You can do it, sure, but it&#8217;s stupid and pointless and a waste of everybody&#8217;s time.</p>
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		<title>By: jumpdrive2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>jumpdrive2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two points:

1. Why not just link to the image? Same access, and the original artist is guaranteed attribution. I imagine that's what he's thinking folks ought to do.

2. Why doesn't the original artist post a lower resolution version of his image on his website and then just say "to hell with it, if they want the real thing they'll _have_ to pay me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two points:</p>
<p>1. Why not just link to the image? Same access, and the original artist is guaranteed attribution. I imagine that&#8217;s what he&#8217;s thinking folks ought to do.</p>
<p>2. Why doesn&#8217;t the original artist post a lower resolution version of his image on his website and then just say &#8220;to hell with it, if they want the real thing they&#8217;ll _have_ to pay me!</p>
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		<title>By: Fräulein</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/06/21/too-much-great-art-is-treated-like-a-dirty-picture-used-to-be/#comment-76673</link>
		<dc:creator>Fräulein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do understand what Jaguar is also saying. I would watermark my items, but still provide linkability to the image, if I was concerned about someone "stealing" my intellectual property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do understand what Jaguar is also saying. I would watermark my items, but still provide linkability to the image, if I was concerned about someone &#8220;stealing&#8221; my intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: cagedude</title>
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		<dc:creator>cagedude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaguar:  The guy taking close up shots of your work may not intend to ever print it.  Maybe all he wanted was something to use as wallpaper on his computer or something similarly digital.

I visited an art gallery a few months ago, and there was only one section of the gallery that photos were allowed, and it was the oil paintings from the 1800's.  The modern work was restricted.  I took pictures of the galleries, and some of the work, more as an aide to my own memory.  I don't have any plans to print these snapshots.  But the pictures that were restricted from public photos, I neither remember, nor want to remember.

I don't know if your customers can get your work in pure digital form.  In many ways, this is even more scary for an artist.  There is something comforting about selling a printed work, which is hard to copy, for some kind of profit.  But from the customer's point of view, this may not be very useful, nor their preferred medium.

Nobody is going to pay in the dollars range (even $1) for a wallpaper image for their computer, unless it is given more like a donation, to help the artist.  Framing your need in a non-threatening way might help.  "Please help support the artist" nudges digital consumers toward the real world faster than "Pay up or I'll sue you."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaguar:  The guy taking close up shots of your work may not intend to ever print it.  Maybe all he wanted was something to use as wallpaper on his computer or something similarly digital.</p>
<p>I visited an art gallery a few months ago, and there was only one section of the gallery that photos were allowed, and it was the oil paintings from the 1800&#8217;s.  The modern work was restricted.  I took pictures of the galleries, and some of the work, more as an aide to my own memory.  I don&#8217;t have any plans to print these snapshots.  But the pictures that were restricted from public photos, I neither remember, nor want to remember.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if your customers can get your work in pure digital form.  In many ways, this is even more scary for an artist.  There is something comforting about selling a printed work, which is hard to copy, for some kind of profit.  But from the customer&#8217;s point of view, this may not be very useful, nor their preferred medium.</p>
<p>Nobody is going to pay in the dollars range (even $1) for a wallpaper image for their computer, unless it is given more like a donation, to help the artist.  Framing your need in a non-threatening way might help.  &#8220;Please help support the artist&#8221; nudges digital consumers toward the real world faster than &#8220;Pay up or I&#8217;ll sue you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hohum</title>
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		<dc:creator>hohum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is exactly (well, one of many reasons) why I release all my work under a Creative Commons license. I want people to be comfortable distributing my work, and doing stuff with it. The idea of CC is very flexible, and there are a variety of pre-established licenses to choose from, depending on the piece, I choose different licenses, but I would never want somebody to feel like they couldn't use a piece of my work on their blog... That's just the height of selfishness in art, imo, and I also don't really think it works out too well as a content creator... Just as you said, Aphrodite (in saying that readers here would likely be interested in buying prints), any channel that gets your work seen, and gets your name out there is a Good Thing. And, even if this weren't true, I'd personally still rather have my work out there and people appreciating it, even if it meant I'd somehow be "losing" (rather, not gaining) money from it. I think people need to realize that people who are interested in artwork are willing to pay for it, to support an artist, even if it is available free (In Rainbows, anyone?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is exactly (well, one of many reasons) why I release all my work under a Creative Commons license. I want people to be comfortable distributing my work, and doing stuff with it. The idea of CC is very flexible, and there are a variety of pre-established licenses to choose from, depending on the piece, I choose different licenses, but I would never want somebody to feel like they couldn&#8217;t use a piece of my work on their blog&#8230; That&#8217;s just the height of selfishness in art, imo, and I also don&#8217;t really think it works out too well as a content creator&#8230; Just as you said, Aphrodite (in saying that readers here would likely be interested in buying prints), any channel that gets your work seen, and gets your name out there is a Good Thing. And, even if this weren&#8217;t true, I&#8217;d personally still rather have my work out there and people appreciating it, even if it meant I&#8217;d somehow be &#8220;losing&#8221; (rather, not gaining) money from it. I think people need to realize that people who are interested in artwork are willing to pay for it, to support an artist, even if it is available free (In Rainbows, anyone?).</p>
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		<title>By: Mitsquana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitsquana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can sort of sympathise, when you think, after spending days, weeks or even years of your life creating something, its difficult to relinquish control of something so personal to you and not know what people are going to do with it, where its going to be reproduced and whether you are going to be comfortable with the implications (social, political, whatever) that arise from that.  A lot of artists are terrified their art will be misconstrued, taken out of centext.  This is unfortunate, as the great thing about art is that people can see things in it, read messages into it, that you never intended to put there, and it can change your own views or perspectives on things, but it can also be pretty scary, and maybe sometimes people who aren't artists don't realise that.  I mean, what if your work was reproduced in a blog or article who's politics you strongly disagree with, and your images came to be associated with that sort of thing, it'd piss you off right? There IS such a thing as bad publicity.  Not saying it's a great idea just to forbid anyone from linking ever, but you can kind of see why some people might feel that way.  Us artistes are notoriously difficult people, afterall... 

Usually i just comfort myself with the thought that the jpgs online will never look as good as my original paintings do in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can sort of sympathise, when you think, after spending days, weeks or even years of your life creating something, its difficult to relinquish control of something so personal to you and not know what people are going to do with it, where its going to be reproduced and whether you are going to be comfortable with the implications (social, political, whatever) that arise from that.  A lot of artists are terrified their art will be misconstrued, taken out of centext.  This is unfortunate, as the great thing about art is that people can see things in it, read messages into it, that you never intended to put there, and it can change your own views or perspectives on things, but it can also be pretty scary, and maybe sometimes people who aren&#8217;t artists don&#8217;t realise that.  I mean, what if your work was reproduced in a blog or article who&#8217;s politics you strongly disagree with, and your images came to be associated with that sort of thing, it&#8217;d piss you off right? There IS such a thing as bad publicity.  Not saying it&#8217;s a great idea just to forbid anyone from linking ever, but you can kind of see why some people might feel that way.  Us artistes are notoriously difficult people, afterall&#8230; </p>
<p>Usually i just comfort myself with the thought that the jpgs online will never look as good as my original paintings do in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Rope Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rope Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everybody, I agree with this about not wanting to link to people who obviously don't want their work widely seen.

I'd like to take a moment to defend the right-click on Bondage Blog, though, since it emphatically has &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; in common with those horrid shrill "Don't you dare copy this!" javascripts you see on the blogs of clueless people, except that it uses javascript.

First of all, the url of Bondage Blog images is right there in the code the popup offers you.  Type or copy that url into your browser's address bar, and you get the image on its own page for you to save to your heart's content.  Bondage Blog does &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; use any sort of anti-hotlink protection.

Obviously, that does add a few keystroke's worth of inconvenience to folks who want to save the image, and for that, I apologize.  But I am aiming to make it easier for the folks who want to hotlink the images on their own sites and forums, but who do not know how to craft the html that would let them do so in a socially acceptable way (i.e., with link credit, rather than just ganking my bandwidth).  There are a LOT of these folks out there; this is the myspace generation.  

At the end of the day, I gotta do something to justify my bandwidth bill.  I hate anti-hotlink protection with a passion -- I love this bondage stuff and I want people to be able to share it easily -- so I had to try and do something.  It's an experiment, we'll see how it goes.

Thanks for listening!

Rope Guy from &lt;a href="http://www.bondageblog.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bondage Blog&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everybody, I agree with this about not wanting to link to people who obviously don&#8217;t want their work widely seen.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to take a moment to defend the right-click on Bondage Blog, though, since it emphatically has <b>nothing</b> in common with those horrid shrill &#8220;Don&#8217;t you dare copy this!&#8221; javascripts you see on the blogs of clueless people, except that it uses javascript.</p>
<p>First of all, the url of Bondage Blog images is right there in the code the popup offers you.  Type or copy that url into your browser&#8217;s address bar, and you get the image on its own page for you to save to your heart&#8217;s content.  Bondage Blog does <b>not</b> use any sort of anti-hotlink protection.</p>
<p>Obviously, that does add a few keystroke&#8217;s worth of inconvenience to folks who want to save the image, and for that, I apologize.  But I am aiming to make it easier for the folks who want to hotlink the images on their own sites and forums, but who do not know how to craft the html that would let them do so in a socially acceptable way (i.e., with link credit, rather than just ganking my bandwidth).  There are a LOT of these folks out there; this is the myspace generation.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day, I gotta do something to justify my bandwidth bill.  I hate anti-hotlink protection with a passion &#8212; I love this bondage stuff and I want people to be able to share it easily &#8212; so I had to try and do something.  It&#8217;s an experiment, we&#8217;ll see how it goes.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening!</p>
<p>Rope Guy from <a href="http://www.bondageblog.com" rel="nofollow">Bondage Blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/06/21/too-much-great-art-is-treated-like-a-dirty-picture-used-to-be/#comment-76467</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaguar: wanting to be able to repost your work for online display and discussion is very different to reselling it for profit.  I don't think anyone here is arguing that that's ethical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaguar: wanting to be able to repost your work for online display and discussion is very different to reselling it for profit.  I don&#8217;t think anyone here is arguing that that&#8217;s ethical.</p>
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		<title>By: alex99a</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex99a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find that annoying as well. Is BB the actual owner/creator of those images? If they just grabbed them from a website or Usenet, why should they care that I keep a copy?  Makes me want to stay away from BB. If I go directly to Kaya's site, she doesn't mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find that annoying as well. Is BB the actual owner/creator of those images? If they just grabbed them from a website or Usenet, why should they care that I keep a copy?  Makes me want to stay away from BB. If I go directly to Kaya&#8217;s site, she doesn&#8217;t mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Khordas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khordas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed that Bondage Blog has started doing right click popups lately which is frustrating for a porn collector such as myself.  They're at least giving a nod to the blogger community by making the popup include code to link to the image.  Still frustrating.

K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that Bondage Blog has started doing right click popups lately which is frustrating for a porn collector such as myself.  They&#8217;re at least giving a nod to the blogger community by making the popup include code to link to the image.  Still frustrating.</p>
<p>K.</p>
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