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	<title>Comments on: Lying For Your Business: Etology.com</title>
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		<title>By: Skrrp</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/16/lying-for-your-business-etologycom/#comment-83790</link>
		<dc:creator>Skrrp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bacchus, well done on calling them on their crap. I found this blog by accident (a Google search for lesbian porn (if you can believe that ;)) and have found your posts on actual erotica to be very well informed. This post beats them all though.

You are right, they never did admit that the lie was against corporate policy and they never said that any actions were taken against Tai for breaching it. They used weasel words throughout and tried to skirt around the side of the issue without dealing with the main complaint.

I understand how ethics and truth are the underpinning of the relationship you build with your customer (former computer salesman - shop floor). We had one guy on our team and everyone knew that when he was talking to a customer, one of us had to be listening in and intervene where necessary (he really would tell them that the computer would make them toast and tea in the morning).

Also - you are the winner of the Internet for using the word 'mendacious' twice. Sheer brilliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bacchus, well done on calling them on their crap. I found this blog by accident (a Google search for lesbian porn (if you can believe that ;)) and have found your posts on actual erotica to be very well informed. This post beats them all though.</p>
<p>You are right, they never did admit that the lie was against corporate policy and they never said that any actions were taken against Tai for breaching it. They used weasel words throughout and tried to skirt around the side of the issue without dealing with the main complaint.</p>
<p>I understand how ethics and truth are the underpinning of the relationship you build with your customer (former computer salesman - shop floor). We had one guy on our team and everyone knew that when he was talking to a customer, one of us had to be listening in and intervene where necessary (he really would tell them that the computer would make them toast and tea in the morning).</p>
<p>Also - you are the winner of the Internet for using the word &#8216;mendacious&#8217; twice. Sheer brilliance.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/16/lying-for-your-business-etologycom/#comment-82179</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I found this site by accident, I found your experience with business spam email enlightening.  Thanks for taking the time to share the process with us.

Keep on fighting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I found this site by accident, I found your experience with business spam email enlightening.  Thanks for taking the time to share the process with us.</p>
<p>Keep on fighting</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/16/lying-for-your-business-etologycom/#comment-82020</link>
		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the data point, rg.  As you might imagine, I'm skeptical of the claim that this was only a "few" emails like this that got sent out.

Sadly, I don't think I got them to come clean -- they were very careful about &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; repudiating this approach, trying to claim it was all a big misunderstanding on my part.  I'm not confident they'll find "some other slimy approach" because they never even said they were done using this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the data point, rg.  As you might imagine, I&#8217;m skeptical of the claim that this was only a &#8220;few&#8221; emails like this that got sent out.</p>
<p>Sadly, I don&#8217;t think I got them to come clean &#8212; they were very careful about <b>not</b> repudiating this approach, trying to claim it was all a big misunderstanding on my part.  I&#8217;m not confident they&#8217;ll find &#8220;some other slimy approach&#8221; because they never even said they were done using this one.</p>
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		<title>By: remittance girl</title>
		<link>http://www.erosblog.com/2008/07/16/lying-for-your-business-etologycom/#comment-82013</link>
		<dc:creator>remittance girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got the email you got. Here's what's frustrating: you spent all that time and effort getting them to come clean, and they're only just going to find some other slimy approach and do it all over again to others. 

The other day I got one of the "I really love your blog and the product I want to advertise is sooooo compatible" approaches. I personalize this sort of thing. It pisses me off no end to spend even a moment considering how what I write and surgical penis enhancement have anything in common.

Good for you for pinning these guys to the wall!

Hugs,

rg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got the email you got. Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s frustrating: you spent all that time and effort getting them to come clean, and they&#8217;re only just going to find some other slimy approach and do it all over again to others. </p>
<p>The other day I got one of the &#8220;I really love your blog and the product I want to advertise is sooooo compatible&#8221; approaches. I personalize this sort of thing. It pisses me off no end to spend even a moment considering how what I write and surgical penis enhancement have anything in common.</p>
<p>Good for you for pinning these guys to the wall!</p>
<p>Hugs,</p>
<p>rg</p>
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		<title>By: Bacchus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin, in trying to be as fair as possible about this whole mess, I think it's worth pointing out that I have no evidence that this particular marketing misdeed was company policy.  The odds of it being an over-reach by one particular saleswoman seem to me to be fairly high.

Tailynn appears to be unrepentantly dishonest.  Jeff Sue, another "account manager", has proven himself willing to deny the obvious lie in the best tradition of the Iraqi Minister of Defense.  (&lt;i&gt;"American tanks?  What American tanks?  There are no American tanks within a hundred miles of Bagdad!  That noise you hear is not tank treads, it is air conditioning equipment!"&lt;/i&gt;)  Etology's CEO, Brock Purpura, was copied &lt;i&gt;by Jeff Sue&lt;/i&gt; with Jeff's spin letter, and provided by me with a link to this post and comment thread, but he has chosen to remain silent.  Etology's failing here is not (has not been &lt;b&gt;demonstrated&lt;/b&gt; to be, I should say) a deliberate policy of deception; rather, Etology's failing is thinking you can lie to bloggers in the internet age and then &lt;i&gt;pretend you didn't&lt;/i&gt;, with no loss of reputation to your company.  Basically, Etology is showing itself to be a "doesn't get it" old-media corporate dinosaur, which is pretty funny for what is supposed to be one of the cutting-edge internet-media advertising companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, in trying to be as fair as possible about this whole mess, I think it&#8217;s worth pointing out that I have no evidence that this particular marketing misdeed was company policy.  The odds of it being an over-reach by one particular saleswoman seem to me to be fairly high.</p>
<p>Tailynn appears to be unrepentantly dishonest.  Jeff Sue, another &#8220;account manager&#8221;, has proven himself willing to deny the obvious lie in the best tradition of the Iraqi Minister of Defense.  (<i>&#8220;American tanks?  What American tanks?  There are no American tanks within a hundred miles of Bagdad!  That noise you hear is not tank treads, it is air conditioning equipment!&#8221;</i>)  Etology&#8217;s CEO, Brock Purpura, was copied <i>by Jeff Sue</i> with Jeff&#8217;s spin letter, and provided by me with a link to this post and comment thread, but he has chosen to remain silent.  Etology&#8217;s failing here is not (has not been <b>demonstrated</b> to be, I should say) a deliberate policy of deception; rather, Etology&#8217;s failing is thinking you can lie to bloggers in the internet age and then <i>pretend you didn&#8217;t</i>, with no loss of reputation to your company.  Basically, Etology is showing itself to be a &#8220;doesn&#8217;t get it&#8221; old-media corporate dinosaur, which is pretty funny for what is supposed to be one of the cutting-edge internet-media advertising companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for everyone then.

Is this a misguided attempt by a single company or a trend in attempts at marketing in the larger business scale? 

While the small business community cannot afford to lose trust, larger companies tend to 'creatively interpret' truths on a regular basis. Good examples so far; healthy food that isn't, luxury vehicles that may not be (anyone notice that the Escalade and the Avalache are incredibly similar?), etc.

I'm not out to start a political issue. I'm just wondering if this attempt on Bacchus was by a company that thinks (incorrectly most likely) it will be successful by following the same model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for everyone then.</p>
<p>Is this a misguided attempt by a single company or a trend in attempts at marketing in the larger business scale? </p>
<p>While the small business community cannot afford to lose trust, larger companies tend to &#8216;creatively interpret&#8217; truths on a regular basis. Good examples so far; healthy food that isn&#8217;t, luxury vehicles that may not be (anyone notice that the Escalade and the Avalache are incredibly similar?), etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not out to start a political issue. I&#8217;m just wondering if this attempt on Bacchus was by a company that thinks (incorrectly most likely) it will be successful by following the same model.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm one of the top submitters at uribl.com, a domain blacklist used by (amongst others) spamassassin to check if mail is spam. I was surprised to discover etology.com is not on it yet - I have the habit of submitting (and generally getting accepted) the first pitch you describe - I get quite a few as  well. I suggest you get an submitters account there as well, and help the community against spammers like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of the top submitters at uribl.com, a domain blacklist used by (amongst others) spamassassin to check if mail is spam. I was surprised to discover etology.com is not on it yet - I have the habit of submitting (and generally getting accepted) the first pitch you describe - I get quite a few as  well. I suggest you get an submitters account there as well, and help the community against spammers like this.</p>
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