Marilyn Monroe’s Naked Memory
So of course, my skepticism of yesterday’s Marilyn Monroe blowjob movie report was shared by others, some of whom now claim to be “debunking” the “hoax”. To me, the “debunking” sounds like skeptical experts explaining why skepticism is in order, but you can’t really establish “hoax” unless you have evidence or a confession, which the skeptical experts do not (yet) appear to have. It wouldn’t be fair for us to expect debunkers to do the impossible (“Prove that the movie doesn’t exist!) but it’s still cheating for them to engage in their informed arm-waving and then claim that’s the same as if they did prove the movie doesn’t exist. I’ll chalk this up to Defamer’s over-hyperbolic headline writing, and wait to see what else develops.
Meanwhile, there’s much internet talk of a tame old porno loop called The Apple, Knockers, and the Coke Bottle, starring Arline (or Arlene?) Hunter, who (some people say) looks a bit like Marilyn. If anybody out there is treasuring that loop in a format suitable for emailing, ErosBlog stands ready to share it with a broader public. My Google-Fu is weak today, and has so far yielded only this:
Source is a Marilyn Monroe fan site with this to say:
The actress in this film is named Arlene Hunter who was a 1954 playmate for Playboy magazine. In it Miss Hunter removes her clothes, rolls an apple around her breasts, and then provocatively sips from a Coke Bottle.
I can’t believe that people are making money off of this stag film by ripping off unsuspecting fans. I personally don’t even see how someone could mistake the two women, Arlene Hunter has a faint resemblence to Norma Jeane but is certainly no look alike.
Interestingly, there may be another stag film out there that’s commonly claimed to feature Marilyn. This site is adamant that it’s not the Apple/Coke Bottle movie, and has the best compilation I found of stills, links to magazine coverage, and the like. I myself don’t find the stills to be all that compelling:
Open season:
I hereby declare that the usual Erosblog rules against the “Is it real? Is it fake? Is it Photoshop?” game in the comments DO NOT APPLY to this post, or to the previous one. Hell, for this story, that’s got to be at least half the fun. Go wild, but remember this — unless you are the photographer of one of the images in question and want to share your first hand knowledge, your opinion is not fact and should not be presented as such, or with unwarranted certitude.
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Just my personal opinion, but to me, those stills look a bit larger in the waist, and smaller in the buttocks, than what we are used to seeing as being Marilyn (She was an avid jogger, and believed in exercizing). But then, her weight may have changed throughout her adult life…
To me, the breasts on these stills look a good bit fuller than the Bert Stern 1962 “Last Sitting” nude photos, as well as the early 1949 Tom Kelly nudes. Marilyn’s widow’s peak seemed a bit more prominent than the above photos indicate, and that prominent cleft (in the chin in the bottom still), doesn’t look like Marilyn to me. Marilyn’s nose didn’t seem quite that long, but then angle and make-up figure into the equation as well.
I’ve looked at some of the other photos on the net, and the eyebrow arch is in a different part of the brows, but then, that can be changed as well.
Make-up style and hair styles of the era make many blondes look like Marilyn. People still confuse Jayne Mansfield and Mamie van Doren for Marilyn to this day.
The key to this would be the ears if we can get a good shot of them. They’re said to be as individual as fingerprints…
Wow, whoever she is she looks enough like Marilyn to fulfill the fantasy.
For what it’s worth, over the years, the second film (not the ‘Apple’ one) has been declared as possibly real by Flynt, definitely real by Guccione (Sr.), and a “maybe” by Celebrity Sleuth. Granted, all of those publications have vested interests in selling magazines, BUT — Celebrity Sleuth has a fantastic track record when it comes to matching up vintage nudes with later-known actresses. (The Lucille Ball photo comes to mind.)
Actually, looking at the last pic, Bacchus, I can’t remember Marilyn having a cleft in her chin.
But it wouldn’t surprise me to know there’s some MM porn out there. She DID pose for cheesecake photos, and we’ve all heard stories of “I can get you into pictures, kid.” Wouldn’t surprise me to find out someone DID manage to get porn out MM.
Is this the movie?:
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Tthe woman in the movie, apart from the blonde hair, doesn’t appear to look like MM at all.
I searched Marilyn Monroe on youporn.com, the movie from which the stills are taken is there on the site, at least till yesterday, 16 April. The lady is heavier built and hairier than Norma Jean Baker, but it could have been made in her struggling days.
Bj, that’s the one — not the apple one, but the other one. Thank you for the link! I have the .flv file on my desktop now, and I’ll get it online somehow here soon.
As a big Marilyn fan, I could only wish…..but I am still skeptical that this is her!?
Keep the faith.
mitty
Doesn’t like like Marilyn to me. The teeth aren’t right, (among other things).
I agree with Ann about those horse teeth… They look like Jerry Lewis’s famous fake buck teeth…
The Arlene Hunter film was the source for SF artist Bruce Conner’s 1973 film ‘Marilyn X 5″, which isolates tiny clips from the Hunter stag movie to a soundtrack of Marilyn Monroe singing “I’m Through With Love” 5 times. Conner’s edit makes the cheesy stag movie gestures with the apple & coke bottle humane, beautiful, and sad. I saw it in a theater in the late 1980s–unfortunately Conner’s films are not generally available in DVD format–& was kind of stunned by the pathos instilled by the repetitions of Arlene’s movements & the song. Unforgettable almost 20 years later.
SO not M.M. Just blew it up in Photoshop, first impression is nose/facial structure totally different…M.M. had a very distinct, somewhat bulbous nose. As someone here pointed out, many women imitated M.M.’s look back in the day. I am a long time M.M. collector. it ain’t her, but if it were, i’d be first to say..”yeah, that IS her.”
It’s not MM.
The woman in the picture has a squarer, face with longer, larger features. She definitely has tried to look like MM; in fact people probably told her all the time that she does look like MM.
MM had delicate, nymph-like features. Her face was thin. The woman in the film looks like a peasant. The woman’s eyes are even shaped differently. Pictures of MM from 1948 all look differently than the woman in the film.
Plus, would a woman at the start of a promising career in 1948 *think* it would be a good idea to make a porn film?? Hell no.