21 Responses to “Paranoid Bloggers Shoot Selves In Foot, Film At Eleven”

1. Viviane said (on July 26th, 2005 at 1:33 am)

   I came across a site with that problem. I [a “profoundly missed the point” technical suggestion was deleted here — Bacchus].

2. tjlsmith said (on July 26th, 2005 at 1:41 am)

   To all intents and purposes if it’s on the web it’s free. The rules were written by geeks before the suits figured out we were on to something.

   [Two “profoundly missed the point” technical suggestions were deleted here — Bacchus]

3. Nick said (on July 26th, 2005 at 1:51 am)

   Please people, give Bacchus a little more credit. Of course he could’ve gotten it if he had tried, however he feels that he is doing them a favor by linking to them. He is against people copyrighting blogs, and so he isn’t going to give those sites that block their contents any recognition.

4. vinegartoast said (on July 26th, 2005 at 2:04 am)

   [A “profoundly missed the point” technical suggestion was deleted here — Bacchus.]

5. TwiddlyBits said (on July 26th, 2005 at 2:07 am)

   If I may be so bold, I don’t think Bacchus is against the concept of copyright as it pertains to blogs. It’s not that the web is “free” – it’s that the web is all about linking & quoting. If you can’t quote it or link it, how can you share the information & thus drive more traffic to the site? If you don’t allow quoting, what’s the point?

   Quoting falls under the “Fair Use” doctrine, anyway, and is perfectly legal.

   [insert disclaimer about how *much* you’re allowed to quote within Fair Use]

6. O Cão said (on July 26th, 2005 at 3:12 am)

   [A “profoundly missed the point” technical suggestion was deleted here — Bacchus.]

7. Bacchus said (on July 26th, 2005 at 4:26 am)

   I am about to go back and delete all the tips and suggestions for getting around the stupid javascript. They entirely miss the point of my rant. Duh… any fool can get around that stupid javascript, that’s half of what makes it stupid to use.

   The other half, of course, is that it’s a big flaming sign saying “The author of this site misses the whole point of having an internet.”

   I’ve got nothing (well, not much) against copyright; but I think it’s profoundly *stupid* (or at least ignorant) to ASSERT your copyright against folks who are trying to compliment you by quoting you and linking to you. If you say “I don’t want anybody to link to me” — which is what using that stupid javascript says — than you should expect to languish in deserved obscurity.

   It’s not the lame tech these people are using that earns my contempt, it’s the stingy impulse that led them to try and use the lame tech.

8. Darkneuro said (on July 26th, 2005 at 5:05 am)

   Bravo, Bacchus! By the way, I’ve linked to you :D

9. Charity said (on July 26th, 2005 at 9:48 am)

   Completely agree with you Bacchus!

   Just wanted to thank you again for the tips you shared with me when I first got started a few weeks ago now. Being new to the blogging scene, I didnt think of generating traffic in the terms you presented to me, but you were 100% right, basically what goes around comes around.

   If you take away the sharing aspect of blogging, you are, as you mentioned to me, a diarist and not part of the larger community. My community is itty bitty right now but I am enjoying it and am so appreciative of each new visitor.

   Thank you for teaching me the importance of verbal generousity.

10. Papa Sagg said (on July 26th, 2005 at 12:28 pm)

    :crazy:
    No Shit! I try and use credited images for non-profit flyers and Blogspace all the time and I get the same lame ass message.
    Its frusterating when you can see it and not have a copy for use.
    I am a photographer and GraphicArtist as well. And I NEVER block my material. I feel privilegded when people download my stuff, at least someone is looking!

11. Karl Elvis said (on July 26th, 2005 at 12:35 pm)

    Lord, that’s so fucked up. The web is free, is the bottom line. If you don’t wanna share it, don’t put iit on the web.

12. Joe said (on July 26th, 2005 at 12:56 pm)

    Web is free????? So if I copyright a nice picture or a nice story, I should give it away free???? Sorry, but to post on the web does not mean that it may be free. So Karl, do you go to porn sites and expect to get all that porn for free?
    [a “profoundly missed the point” technical suggestion was deleted here — Bacchus]

13. Stanley said (on July 27th, 2005 at 5:25 am)

    I can understand that gets a little irritating. Personally what pisses me off about that situation is not that I can’t get around it, but …that it really pisses me off. Here I’m trying to do a service to the world and the site in question and to myself by quoting something that is good. And then they tell me the equivalent of “fuck off, we don’t serve your kind here!” And somehow it isn’t satisfying enough to just leave that site alone. If there were a way of slamming the door on the way out, I would.

14. Petronius said (on July 27th, 2005 at 9:03 am)

    Out of curiousity, did the website in question quote text from other sources?
    what’s sauce for the goose, etc. etc.

15. RGM said (on July 27th, 2005 at 12:33 pm)

    Bacchus, I like this site and enjoy the entries very much. However I found your action on comments irritating. Why delete the comments just for the reason that they don’t seem to get your point? Why not just leave them here AND leave your comments about that?

    Just like you found Fleshbot’s JavaScript restriction unacceptable, I found your comment-controlling behavior unacceptable. And this does not seem to be the first time you needlessly delete comments. I perfectly aware that this is your website and you have total control, but I believe I have the right to not read your site. I’m outta here.

    Thanks, bye.

16. Bacchus said (on July 27th, 2005 at 1:04 pm)

    RGM, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Eros Blog comments have always been heavily moderated. One of the things I moderate is insults, and I find it insulting that every time I mention this topic, people assume I’m too stupid to know how to get around the javascript. And so they post, at endless and irrelevant length, suggestions on how to do it. This is the third or fourth thread where this has happened, and I’m tired of receiving that insult. So I’m deleting it now. It’s that simple.

17. ~Storm said (on July 28th, 2005 at 5:57 am)

    I love when people quote me or link to me (thanks by the way for the sexblog roundup hits) and also by the way… I have a link to you on my site. I get a lot of traffic from you guys.

    Thanks!!

18. Bacchus said (on July 29th, 2005 at 11:04 am)

    Yet another blatantly obvious technical suggestion deleted. Geez, people, what part of “any fool can get around that stupid javascript” don’t you understand?

    And why in the heck do so many of you continue to think that “Here’s how to copy that” is a germane response to “So-and-so is an idiot for not wanting that copied”?

19. t said (on August 8th, 2005 at 8:10 am)

    for us, and i think other bloggers, having your stuff on a site for everyone to see is what it’s about. sharing and knowing other people are reading your stuff. the best way to get more traffic is to have links and references from other people.
    now if the point of your website is to earn loads of money and end up rich then i guess you might be a little more protective of your stuff. yet wouldn’t more traffic help that too?

20. just another geek said (on August 14th, 2005 at 4:31 am)

    Hasn’t anyone heard of “fair use”?

    Contrary to what the big media companies, and that blogger, would have you believe “copyright” is not absolute. It’s perfectly legal to quote brief passages as long as its properly attributed — hell that’s critical since it turns the monologue of each of us shouting into the wilderness into a meaningful dialogue.

    BTW (and as another unrelated technical issue) this is why I have my mail server set up to reject any mail where I can’t find the sender myself. My attitude is that I’m only interested in dialogues — if somebody is sending out a message that I can’t possibly respond to then there’s no point in accepting it in the first place.

21. sen said (on August 15th, 2005 at 1:55 am)

    hello
    french are paranoid too
    some french architect ask for money because a blogger edit pictures about building in his city !!!

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