The Great Craigslist Sex Personals Massacre Of 2006
There’s an astonishing firestorm of controversy swirling around a recent event in which someone (male) posted a woman-seeking-sex personal ad on Craigslist. The responses, including the usual spectrum of cock pictures, were collated and made public on a wiki, along with all the contact information provided by respondents. There seems to be an ongoing effort to develop the wiki to more fully “out” the folks who responded, augmenting their information with whatever else can be found out about them from public sources and from those who may know them.
Predictably, all hell has broken loose. Details available from BoingBoing, Violet Blue, and many other sources. The most popular sentiment appears to be that this was a horrid and hateful thing to do.
But was it?
I find myself unable to get very worked up about this. Indeed, I can see a positive side. This might even be a good thing for the online sex personals ecosystem.
I’m reasoning thusly: Online sex personals are, by all reports, a toxic ecosystem. Serious seekers after sex partners, especially female ones, have to wade through an astonishing volume of bizarre, ugly, inappropriate responses in order to find the few “real” responses. For example, a woman emailed BoingBoing with this description, which sounds typical of many other accounts I’ve read:
I’ve posted a few “Casual Encounters” ads at different times looking for various things. The first ad alone received over 300 replies. Some of them were beyond repugnant — the bestiality proposition springs to mind. The majority were unappealing but mundane — people who just didn’t dance the same way I do, mentally speaking, didn’t know how to compose a well-thought-out email or articulate themselves attractively. Those were ones like the one-liner “yo, hit me on MSN”, that kind of thing. I received a lot of dickpix. Then, there were a tiny fraction that drew me in and showed me that as much consideration had gone into their reply as I put into my original post. Those were people I connected with, corresponded with (from a gmail account), and eventually met.
Speaking to all men, let me say this: Mailing a potential female sex partner an unsolicited picture of your dick is not appropriate, it’s not smart, it doesn’t work, it brands you as a vulgar idiot, and it makes all men look bad by gender association with your fucked-up self. Don’t do it. Don’t do it. I repeat, don’t do it. Man law, got it?
So I have no, none, zero, zip, nada, a distinct absence and lack, of sympathy for the guys who are pissing in the well with these inappropriate responses.
Why do they do this? Well, one reason is that they can get away with it. It “feels” anonymous, there’s a perceived zero cost, it’s like socially-approved flashing because nobody sees you except someone who (faintly, theoretically, but not really) “was asking for it.”
Well, guess what? It’s not as anonymous as it feels. As proven by the events prompting this post.
What happened here is that the flasher creeps have been exposed in public, for everyone to point and laugh at. That’s a bad thing? I don’t see how. If it becomes routine, maybe they’ll stop.
Folks who feel differently seem to feel that there’s been a betrayal of some reasonable expectation of privacy, some unwritten social contract that has been protecting these virtual flashers. Huh? If there’s any expectation of privacy in a picture of your johnson that you send to a most-likely-uninterested recipient, it sure as heck isn’t a reasonable expectation.
But what about the few serious, non-offensive responders caught up in this same net? What about the “tiny fraction that drew me in and showed me that as much consideration had gone into their reply as I put into my original post” guys?
I still don’t think they have any reasonable expectation of privacy in their responses, but much more importantly, I don’t see how they were harmed by this exercise. A guy that’s free to be looking for sex on the internet, who writes an inoffensive “you sound like a fun lady, I’d like to get together” letter, how is he harmed? Now the world knows that he’d like to meet women and have sex. The world did not suspect this already? Where is the harm?
My bottom line is that this is just like the old advice from your mother, about not leaving the house while wearing dirty underwear, because you could get hit by a truck and somebody might see it. To me it seems only sensible: don’t write personals responses that you wouldn’t want to see on the front page of the newspaper. Because, in the final analysis, email sent to strangers is an essentially public medium. Argue about whether it ought to be public, we may — but change the fact that it is public, I don’t think we can. (Whoops, Yoda moment, sorry.)
This is not a manifesto, I’m not walking way out on a limb in defense of these opinons. These are merely my preliminary reactions to an interesting story. I don’t use personals myself, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. Judging by the firestorm sweeping the net over this, emotions run hot. Agree or disagree, I’d like to remind everyone who might wish to comment here on ErosBlog that the comments are heavily moderated, and your input needs to be civil and friendly or it simply won’t be seen.
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It’s foolish to think that a stranger will hold your anonymity, words or emails as closely guarded as you do. It simply has no backlash if they do or do not share the information. Perhaps their own personal embarrassment? Is that what these responders were banking on – the level of embarrassment a stranger would experience?
Morally, I don’t support the idea that sharing this information is okay. I wouldn’t, but just like you Bacchus, I don’t have a dog in this fight. I would be pissed if I shared something with someone I considered a friend and they burned me, but a stranger? How can I place an expectation on someone if I don’t even know them?
I’d like to think that it would clear up the muck somewhat, but it won’t. All it did was cause a buzz which will cost some people a little more than they had intended – jobs, family.
I know if that were my information published, obscene response aside, I’d go after him myself – legally speaking.
Certainly food for thought.
In the past I’ve posted and responded to ads on sites similar to craigslist. I’ve had good experiences, but I think I’ve been really lucky. From the last time I posted on craigslist (not casual encounters) I had a lot of questions from the few men I met for coffee about the responses I got, so I know it’s something that’s wondered about.
I do think dick pix are a guarantee to be deleted, but since the “ad” that drew these men in featured a partially clothed woman bending over and spreading her cheeks, dick pix would not, perhaps, be inappropriate.
I don’t really have any objections to re-posting the replies to the fake ad, but I do object to posting the contact info. For me, it’s just a little too close to pulling the shades up on what they’re doing in the bedroom. For the men who are/were married, well, that’s an issue for them and their wives, but it should have come about in a better way than this. Working for Microsoft and using your work email…not the smartest move in the world, but doesn’t make him evil. Just dim.
I think what this ultimately did was burn a few people, embarrass a lot of others and do harm to innocent individuals who were seeking a genuine casual encounter.
Your post makes a lot of sense – in principle, it would be nice to clear up the muck that comes in with the real responses to a well thought out ad that a woman (or man) put time into.
But upon further reading of the original setup, I found that the ad they used as “bait” was not that type of ad. A nude pic was posted, so nude pics in response seem appropriate to me. Poor grammar and spelling were used, so that seems to be reasonable to get in response.
In sex ads, as in any other ad, I believe that you can only hold your responders to the same standards you set for yourself.
In my opinion, this “experiment” doesn’t really prove anything, or demonstrate anything. It simply exposes the private lives of many individuals who may not have wanted everyone in their lives to be privy to their sexual exploits.
At first I chuckled, *heh* typical noobs, who gives their real info to an internet stranger soliciting…anything? Isn’t spam enough of a reason not to? The anonimity of craigs list is builtin for a reason but still the amount of spam there is unreasonable. I don’t feel for anyone “outed” here. I do however find it a bit disconcerting reading his(i.e.the social scientist behind this experiment) comments and responses. Seems like a jerk, but maybe thats just because of his persistance fighting off the fury of his guinea “pigs”. If this does go to court I really hope to see it on courtTV! That would be great.
I find him repugnant. It’s one thing to post the pictures of guys who send dick pics. It’s another to ruin their lives by posting all of their personal information.
I’ve posted on Craigs List in the past and never had good results. And I received a lot of dick pics even though I’d specifically asked for face shots. Men need to start realizing that sending dick pics is an invitation to being ridiculed.
However, I would never have posted their personal information. That’s wrong, regardless of what they sent and wrote. It seems the ‘social scientist’ received not only information but perverse glee in doing this and to me, that’s the worst part of his ‘experiment’. I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy doesn’t get the crap kicked out of him.
My first impression, because I easily fall into the role of Devil’s Advocate, was to do a little WHOIS tango on the domain here, then go ahead post that registration info… since this is a sexblog and this has about as much expectation of privacy as responding to a personal ad. Since WHOIS is a public database anyway, I wouldn’t be revealing anything secret, just name, address, telephone numbers and email for whoever owns the domain.
I can imagine your initial reaction to that idea, Bacchus, would be to delete my post, since it is your blog, and you can delete whatever you deem inappropriate. I would hope that if I did post personal information likt that, you would see the similarity.
If an ad uses images showing genetalia, then respondants are justified in sending back images of genetalia. If a woman is seeking pictures of only faces, maybe using her genetalia to force the jerks to send crotch shots as an automatic filter isn’t a bad Idea. If she asks for only faces in her ad, then those responses that do not include faces should be automatically discarded anyhow. Why should she have to wade through so many garbage responses? Might as well ask why we have to receive spam emails.
There are an incredibly large number of loud people out there looking for any shortcut possible to what they want. Some, are people who will join into a public chat or forum discussion, just to be able to be obnoxious and disruptive without actually having to show their face. The Anonymity Factor. They get their cheap thrills, and move on to find another destructive means to boost their low self-esteem. Others, respond to personal ads in completely inappropriate ways. Yes, I agree, that some are serious in that they believe a woman staring at their naked crotch cannot resist them. Some don’t know what to believe. Some might even be deranged.
But if the address proves real for each individual who sent a penis picture, then that would be evidence that each man believed at SOME level they had a shot. If you knew there was no way in hell sending a dicpic was going to get you a contact, then why provide real contact info?
Do guys that send pics of their dicks start out this way, from the get go, from day one with the internet? Did some of them become jaded over time, finding that in their experience, the only real women they could connect to on the internet either charged by the minute for that contact, or were total skanks that enjoyed only looking at dicpics. I am NOT saying that these are the only female representatives of the human species on the net. I am saying that it would be possible to spend years on the net, and come up with that misconception.
The problem is older and larger than the internet. Men have the power of Chase. Women have the power of Choice. The curent social model is set up so that men present themselves to women, for review and/or approval. There are of examples of the reverse, but they are by far in the minority. Those guys sending dicpics with real contact information, really believed they were sending their best, most retailable feature in a picture. It might be gross and disgusting, but in truth, it should just be seen as sad. This does not mean they should be ridiculed. Only pitied.
Saying that “They asked for it” about the guys in the wiki article is no different than saying a girl who posts a personal ad and gets innundated with dicpics “Asked for it”. And if they ARE the same, then since she asked for it, there is no need to make fun of the guys who replied.
[sarcasm]But yeah, right. When it comes out in the open that most personal ads are traps designed only to get your personal information for some private agenda, I can really see how that is going to be good for connecting people on the internet.[/sarcasm]
The thing is, it doesn’t matter whether they screwed up, whether they were stupid in posting contact information/faceshots, or whatever. What matters is that laws regarding the public disclosure of private correspondence (in cases where the private correspondence is not relevant to the public – eg. in cases of corruption/bribery/political scandal) is illegal.
And depending on how the courts judge, it is possible that the publisher might be liable for lost wages if someone is fired subsequent to publication. Although, more likely, it seems that other laws would come into effect in both criminal and civil courts first, regardless of anyone losing their employment.
Posts online (eg. Craigslist) are automatically public. Specific-address email, snailmail, etc are not, despite any lack of security. Just because I send someone a letter, doesn’t mean that they have the right to publish that letter.
Insofar as the online sex community goes, this may be a good thing in the long run, but arguing that the end justifies the means makes for pretty bad means.
For a personal opionion, this would have been funny if the faces had been blurred, and the contact info erased. As is, it breaks what I feel are legal and moral privacy barriers, and I agree with [Wired blog 27B Stroke 6] (http://blog.wir...53329) when [blogwriter] describes Jason Fortuny as a “narcissistic sociopath.”
One note though: It has been suggested that baiting and “outing” could be used to target any group, such as homosexuals or “sexual perverts,” but couldn’t people simply respond with photos and the contact information of people other than themselves?
[And on a funny note: “He’s real smart, yeah. Pissing off 100+ ‘muscular, aggressive, heterosexual dominants’…”]
The interesting part, to me, is all the people who really do seem to think that responding to an anonymous personals ad is somehow a private act. It’s an extremely public act, as this situation demonstrates.
Reality is not optional, folks. I get that a lot folks have a moral intuition that this “shouldn’t” happen. I haven’t heard a good justification for that moral intuition yet, but I understand it’s out there.
I’m really more interested in the practical implications. My point is simply this: if folks come to understand that their responses to personals ads are not private, won’t that improve the overall quality of the responses, while (and this is a good thing) diminishing their number?
I think that might be the result.
Put the shoe on the other foot. Imagine if you could post a personal ad, and could know that you won’t get a single response that embarasses the sender. Wouldn’t that be nice? If you’re looking for sex, is it really a bad thing that you only hear from unattached people who aren’t ashamed to admit they like sex?
To the penis pic partisans that have posted here — if mailing pictures of your dick to strangers is so thoroughly OK, then what’s the harm in having those pictures made public? Why is one stranger OK, but all of them a problem?
The legality question doesn’t actually interest me much — I am, after all, on record as being something of an anarchist. However, I haven’t seen any convincing arguments that what was done here is illegal. In any case, illegal is not the same as morally wrong. You can’t establish “wrong” by establishing “illegal”, even if “illegal” is true in your jurisdiction. Malum prohibitum is not the same as malum in se, for those of your who know your legal Latin.
Besides, calling it “private correspondence” assumes the very thing we’re arguing about.
Well said, Bacchus.
I especially don’t feel bad for the people who replied using their work information, or the people who were married and replied anyways. Don’t want to get in trouble? Then don’t do stuff you shouldn’t be doing in the first place.
I’m honestly suprised that it took this long for something like this to happen.
While I don’t agree with your conclusion, I do agree with most of your arguments.
As a person who was not supposed to get involved in these things (read married now divorced, but not for this reason) I used to respond to all kinds of postings, thinking they were anonymous, and they would go no further than internet flirtations ususally go.
Then I responded to a girl who thought we would be great together. When her intentions became clear I told her I was married and that seemed to turn her on more.
I quit responding to her and she tracked me down anyway.
Long story short, I had to quit playing with people on the internet.
Two lessons were learned, first, I thought very few people on the internet were real, but some are, and they have feelings too, and “B” sometimes girls can do crazy things when they feel they have been wronged.
PS. I still use the internet for dating but now I am honest and have met some wonderful ladies (and a few nut cases) and am in a long term relationship with one of the nice ones now.
So, if you respond to a job ad in a newspaper or online, should your resume and all the info in it be published for the world to read? Is that really all that different from responding to a personal ad? What if it were a fake job ad and your info was posted? Should your emails to your significant other be published for the world to read? Sending correspondance over the internet does not automatically make it public domaine. There is already a frightening amount of personal info available on the web for anyone with the time and money to find it.
I admit I tend not to think folks are evil, but I do think the people responding had a “reasonable expectation of privacy”, to use a popular legal term. They were not responding the everybody in the world, they were responding to an individual. And they were deceived.
What has had me wondering is just what this so-called social scientist was hoping to discover by 1) posting a fake ad, and 2) posting the replies. Is it part of some research or just for his own personal kicks? Is he going to follow up with the responders to see what havoc he created in their lives? He is going to write a paper about the experiment? Analyse any data that was gathered? If he does nothing with the results, he did it out of malice, in my mind. If he is doing it for research, the responders had a right to know and opt out of being published.
What a well reasoned and constructed post. Nobody who uses any “open” forum on the internet should believe that their anonymity is in any way sacrosanct. If you want to send “stuff” to any correspondent that you don’t personally know and trust then surely you must be prepared to accept whatever consequences there might be from that person choosing not be your trusted and loyal friend. There must be an internet equivalent of caveat emptor.
I fully agree with the author. Even women not soliciting sex, but that have personal ads up on a website designed specifically for casual dating have to endure the troglodyte responses of “How big R UR tittties?” or some such nonsense. The sheer amount of stupidity and misspelling that one has to endure on the web is ridiculous and almost enough to turn one off of any human/web interaction altogether!
Folks, remember that the “be civil, be nice” rules also prohibit namecalling and invective with respect to the person who did this. Saying “I find him repugnant” as one commenter did is fine; calling him a jerk or quoting other namecalling sources is borderline, but I allowed the examples above because they were minor parts of otherwise substantive, constructive comments. However, I just stopped in moderation a comment which was two-thirds namecalling and personal attack on the guy.
This is not the place for flames. It just isn’t.
i have to wonder if the responses would be different if it were being done by a woman who had actually posted an ad in all sincerity, and then was faced with this response. there would still be people objecting to it, but calling her bitter and stuff like that.
it would just be interesting to see the difference.
mainja: Well, considering the contents of the original ad (explicit photo, truly horrid spelling/punctuation/grammar, highly sexual content) I’m not sure that the type of responses garnered is _that_ unreasonable.
InquizitiveOne: Actually, I think that would be sort of cool: an actual study of the type of responses garnered by specific types of ads, with categories and statistics. That would probably make decent social science.
I guess the issue is just whether you consider email to be private or not. I think the main objection has almost more to do with the manner in which the information was published than with the publishing itself.
In all fairness, anybody who intially responds to an adult “personal” with explicit content, faceshot photos or contact information is, well, foolish.
Upon reflection, it might not be such a violation of privacy, trust, or anything of the sort. Seeing as how safeguarding your personal information (or if you will not do that, at least keeping the content of your online output civil) is a necessary element of online activity, why should anyone be surprised when they get burned? And if we accept that it is reasonable to expect to get burned for these actions, then there is not any reasonable expectation of privacy or confidentiality. At least not for initial contacts.
The elimination (or at least reduction) of this type of response could be rather good for the “personals” online community. Honestly, not having participated in these communities, I don’t know much about what type of comments are typical. Based upon my IRC experience though, I’d guess it’s pretty damn bad. And IRC for years has been a “user beware” situation, with everything from the classic “Format C” and “Alt-F4” pranks to goatse.cx and fairly severe sexual come-ons in utterly unrelated areas to pretty much anyone with a female-sounding name.
Maybe people will be more careful. Maybe the end result will be people sending fewer responses, putting more thought into their responses and actually having tentative initial contacts. But I’m a little cynical about the internet and sorta doubt it.
I completely agree, this was a public forum and although we all want to trust that our information will not be given out to the entire world there still needs to be some thought put into what information we give out.
I have been using internet dating for a few months and I thought that I was being fairly careful about what information I gave out. Someone early on suggested that I use a seperate email instead of the 2 emails I currently use which have my full name in the address. I’m regretting not doing this now since just last week someone I gave my email to on the dating site contacted me pretending to be someone that I knew. Once I figured out what was going on I immediately deleted my account and blocked all contact with this guy. If his intentions were really malicious I think that he would have done something by now.
Just like it was mentioned earlier, these guys who sent real, normal, no dickpix responses haven’t really been hurt by this. If anything everyone now knows that they’re available, and if they’re ashamed, why were they on there in the first place?
Would I care if this happened to me? Not if the email and contact information were still vague enough that no one could identify/find/stalk me.
i loved your take on the experiment. my immediate reaction was in complete contradiction to your argument, but your argument was compelling and i agreed with you. then i looked at the ad that was used and the vulgar picture. i’m preparing my dick pic response.
you take the high road on the concept, and i still agree with that. but there’s something to be said about context. a bent over beaver shot tells demanding a “brutal dom” tells me “send in the dick pics.” shit equals shit; building an argument for post-feminist sexual liberation on a foundation like that *stinks*.
Color me incredulous.
She asked for it? The bitch had it coming? I’m really getting “She asked for it?” from the penis pic partisans?
So far four responses in this thread have argued, one way or another, that it was OK to send penis pictures because of the way the (fake ad) woman presented herself. This is confirming my opinion that the “send penis pic responses to personals” hobby is a virtual manifestation of the tired old “expose yourself in the street to passing women” sexual misconduct. “She asked for it” is the ancient cry of rapists, remember? “She was dressed like a slut”, “she led me on”, one way or another, it’s really all her fault that my unwelcome sexual conduct happened.
Geez, guys, if you can’t join us up here in the twenty-first century, could you at least try to haul your hairy butts into the late twentieth?
Go online. Google “dick pictures personals”. Look for women who have posted personals. Take a Google poll. A huge majority of women do not want dick pictures in response to their personals. Some don’t mind, many expect it, many are happy to filter them out, but you’ll find damned few who consider them appropriate, responsive, or useful.
She didn’t ask for it. Even if the fake ad woman had been real, and even if she had wanted a dom to give her rough BDSM sex, she still wouldn’t have picked him by his dick picture.
Hint: Unless the ad says “Want boyfriend with ferrari and big dick; send picture of dick” — she’s not asking for pictures of dick. Women who write sex personals know how to say what they want, and they’re not shy about doing so.
She didn’t ask for it. Get over it. You’re embarrassing the community of men with your virtual flasher hobby. Just stoppit, OK?
Bacchus: You’re incredulous that people are arguing “she asked for it”? Have you seen the original ad? It’s a picture of a woman bending over, spreading her ass goatse-style, with a request for brutal sex (not mind you, “rough BDSM sex”, or anything that would have implied connection with any alternative-sexuality reality.) That someone could interpret it as serious ad is a bit out there, but if we suspend our disbeleif that far, it is definitely a request for dick-pic type responses.
Which makes sense considering what we know to be the truth: “She” was a he, trolling for responses to post publicly to humiliate the respondents. “She” was in reality definitely asking for exactly that type of response, and got them.
I’m a big fan of recriprocity under normal situations: if someone is rude to you, feel free to be rude back. If someone offers you a confidence, you are obliged to keep it. If someone shows you their genetalia, you had better show yours back! :)
There’s a huge difference between dressing in a certain fashion while walking down the street and actively exposing yourself to the passers-by/browsers of Craigslist. It seems to me that the one “flashing” is the woman who posted the ad!
I’ll never argue the point that posting dickpics is a stupid, crude, inneffective way of trying to attract women, but this post set the tone of the interaction. If she truly doesn’t want pictures of dicks, then she’s going about it completely wrong.
In my humble opinion, if you post an ad in a “gutter” style, you should be expecting responses with a “gutter” flavor. Who knows, maybe “gutter” gets you going. I’m certainly not qualified to say good or bad.
For the record: I have no dogs in this hunt, nor would I ever. My genetalia stay un-photographed, and I’m merely interested in this as a philosophical arguement.
Last thing: I think it’s the men who’ve had their personal privacy raped who are the true victims here, not some imaginary woman who had to see a few extra pictures of wangs. It’s kinda backwards to say that THEY asked for what they got. So they made a stupid choice… Not much more stupid than walking down the street in a bad neighborhood with your breasts hanging out of your shirt and your ass hanging out of your shorts.
I kept meaning to write something about this in my own place but this will have to suffice for now.
On the topic of personal privacy: It might be illegal for personal information to be used in the way that it was used here, but that doesn’t mean that those respondents were not complete fools for sending in their information.
If you receive a hook for a 419 scam and you send identifying information, sure it would be illegal for the scammers to use your information…but that doesn’t make it ok for you to send it! If you are phished by a fake bank, hey, send in your identifying information but expect that it will be misused.
Saying in a shocked voice, “But that was illegal!” is not going to keep you from getting scammed and/or exposed.
Over the years, I’ve posted maybe a dozen CL ads; in every case I have been exceedingly specific about what I was and was not looking for. In every case I’ve gotten well over 100 replies. In every case I’ve gotten what I considered to be way too much identifying information. In every case, even though I specifically prohibited it, I was send dick pictures.
When we respond to personal ads do we check our brains at the door? If you would not send out personal information to a nameless, faceless 419 scammer or phisher, why would you send it to a complete stranger?
Is the hope for sex strong enough to make us completely lose our minds?
(sorry, rant officially over)
For the most part, I’m in agreement with Bacchus about the privacy of email exchanges. Remember that obnoxious kid a few years back–a congressional aide to Kay Bailey Hutchison–who broke up with his coworker GF by office email? (Our tax dollars at work!) He was unbelievably snotty and cruel about it, and the whole thing was badly spelled and punctuated despite his elite education. She retaliated by publishing the exchange online, and it created a mini-scandal which surely must dog him to this day.
I’d like to float a little theory on the dickpic phenomenon. I’ll disclose that as a reasonably attractive female I may be a tiny, tiny bit jaded. I believe sending them to be in the same category of actions as crude sexual offers howled by construction workers at female passers-by. I don’t believe these guys think this action will result in any kind of sexual gratification for themselves. I think the sexual gratification comes to the howler as a result of having forced a female to endure something she doesn’t want, and against which she’s not able to defend herself. It’s obviously not in any way criminal, nor does it truly injure the gal at whom it was aimed. It seems to me the same dynamic is at work when a much, much older man flirts aggressively with a very young woman. I’m talking 30+ years age difference, and chicks who are not yet practiced at rejecting unwanted advances. The older guys don’t think they’ll actually score, but it’s gratifying to them to watch the women squirm helplessly, knowing they are terrified to hurt men’s feelings. It was Bacchus’ description of the sending of dickpics as socially sanctioned flashing that inspired me to post, because I would definitely put flashing into the category I’m describing here.
Ah, I think I really am jaded. I’ve submitted this notion to several guy friends of varying ages for review, and it has not been shot down yet, but no doubt someone here has a better understanding of the mental process involved in dickpics. I’m willing to be enlightened.
In general, I agree with your comments. However, in this instance I don’t think the male’s who sent dick pics in their reply were off base.
Did you read the actual Craig’s List ad? Clearly, the poster was not the type that would be offended by such things. She might have actually preferred it.
Anyone who is using Craig’s List to find casual encounters is an amatuer. Their are plenty of sites that offer the same thing in a less anonymous manner.
Just the same, emails should be private.
And another one!
“You could tell she’s the kind of girl who wants that sort of treatment…”
Boggle.
Posting naked pictures of one’s gf to the internet without her permission is a much greater breach of privacy and trust than what has occured here, and yet it’s much more common.
Women on the internet learn very early on to guard their personal information. It’s about time men learned to do the same.
Well, great responses, I certainly learnt a thing or 2 about an issue like this and the results this experiment (which I assume it is) bring.
Personally, I am tired of seeing fellow males degrade others, living in ignorance, an dc continuing to do so for a great portion of their lives.
I would guess that being a female, and being truly interested in exploring sexulaity or connected sensuality means they have to wade through so much mental and projected daebree (um forgot how to spell that) just to get to sincerity.
As for these guys, well….they believe that society puts them at the top by this sort of behaviour. They MUST or else, they wouldnt do it. That one track myopicism keeps them in good company.
So, on principle, I believe that this sort of ‘outing’ is WAAAYY overdue to happen.
I dont know if it will stop 2billion other males like them, but hey, gotta start somewhere.
As with privacy, on that note, this was a terrible experiment.
Eh…..
*my browser cuts off the last 1/5 so I dont know if I have made typing errors*
Normally, I would agree with you, but in this case — I read the wiki, and the original ad — I think it was the guys who are the injured parties here. The ad really was written precisely to get that sort of response, so why should anyone be surprised when it came?
If he honestly wanted to make a social sciences experiment of it, he would have gone about the whole thing in a far different fashion. As it was, the entire “experiment” was sophomoric, and the only clearly discernible intent was to humiliate the responders.