Internet Porn For The Greater Good
A friend of mine, a real-world meatspace friend going waaay back to my mis-spent youth, sent me a brief email note and a link the other day. This friend of mine is, I’d say, amused to find himself acquainted with an internet pornographer, but I do not think he’s convinced I’m making the best use of my talents and education. The email said, in its entirety but for salutations:
Of the various virtuous roles you might occupy in the greater human scheme, defender of the public peace didn’t come to mind first, but perhaps it should.
Yeah, he talks like that. It’s one of his many charms.
The link he sent was this one, to an article in Slate: How The Web Prevents Rape.
I’d seen previous references to the research documented in the article, but nothing so cogently written. A few excerpts:
First, porn. What happens when more people view more of it? The rise of the Internet offers a gigantic natural experiment. Better yet, because Internet usage caught on at different times in different states, it offers 50 natural experiments.
The bottom line on these experiments is, “More Net access, less rape.” A 10 percent increase in Net access yields about a 7.3 percent decrease in reported rapes. States that adopted the Internet quickly saw the biggest declines. And, according to Clemson professor Todd Kendall, the effects remain even after you control for all of the obvious confounding variables, such as alcohol consumption, police presence, poverty and unemployment rates, population density, and so forth.
Well, duh.
OK, so we can at least tentatively conclude that Net access reduces rape. But that’s a far cry from proving that porn access reduces rape. Maybe rape is down because the rapists are all indoors reading Slate or vandalizing Wikipedia. But professor Kendall points out that there is no similar effect of Internet access on homicide. It’s hard to see how Wikipedia can deter rape without deterring other violent crimes at the same time. On the other hand, it’s easy to imagine how porn might serve as a substitute for rape.
I said “Well, duh” because, as I wrote back to my friend:
To me, that’s one of those studies with a result that’s intuitively self-evident. (Not to devalue it; so much that is self-evident is also wrong.) The crux for me is in the sentences “It’s hard to see how Wikipedia can deter rape without deterring other violent crimes at the same time. On the other hand, it’s easy to imagine how porn might serve as a substitute for rape.”
In the canonical feminist view of rape, the brainless chant is that “rape is not about sex, it’s about violence and power.” I’ve always thought that to be arrant nonsense. Rape *is* violent, but that’s a statement about practicality and means, not motivation. It’s always seemed to me that rape must be about sexual frustration. Reduce the frustration, reduce the incidence of rape, quod erat demonstrandum. About as controversial as arguing that feeding people reduces hunger.
(If I had been writing the above for this blog rather than in email shorthand to someone who knows me well, I’d have been more cautious. Specifically, when I wrote “rape must be about sexual frustration” I’d have disclaimered it a bit; “many rapes are”, perhaps, rather than “rape must be”. And I would have been more tactful in my description of the opposing view.)
My own belief is that the internet porn effect is broadly beneficial, whatever its debatable effects on the rape statistics. Peeping Toms in the bushes used to be a staple of the suburban police blotters, but when was the last time you heard of one? Didn’t we used to get more high street raincoat flashers, before the internet came along and offered the sending of unsolicited dick pictures as a safer alternative?
I don’t have numbers to prove any of that, of course. Which is why I find the research quoted in Slate to be so interesting.
Shorter URL for sharing: https://www.erosblog.com/?p=1785
1. Correlation does not equal causation.
2. I couldn’t disagree more that rape is a crime of sexual frustration. For one thing, this puts the blame on women for not putting out more, as if the constant threat of rape that we face isn’t enough stress in our lives. For another, many rapists have wives or girlfriends already. And finally, the majority of men, most of whom have experienced sexual frustration in their lives, wouldn’t think of raping a woman; an unwilling partner would never be a turn-on.
3. Fundamentally it doesn’t matter why anyone rapes. It’s about whether or not the woman consents, period, end of story.
I very strongly believe that porn is a very
healthy outlet for sex! I’ve never doubted that
for a moment. Many people just don’t understand it
for what it is and they are fearful of it. In any
event it doesn’t these studies do not surprise me.
Incidently when I type this message my message keeps
running off the page so I have to keep hitting
return to keep my words in the comment box. It never
did this before.
hugs
Des
I agree with you about the benefits, but what about the drawbacks? A lot of people are finding themselves addicted to internet porn these days.
Sometimes I even feel it stifles the imagination; why get creative and visualize my own fantasy when I can just download a movie that turns me on?
I think it also cuts out a very important drive in people to meet one another on platonic level and leads to men and women percieving each other as images — an objectification that in the long run might cause more rapes than are being prevented.
I still enjoy porn, but in regards to the segments of the population we’re discussing, it might not be the social cure all you claim it might be
p.s. I love this blog – keep it up
maybe its the availability of S&M porn and other fetishes as well?
because now everybody is truly catered for?
In response to honeychurch:
“1. Correlation does not equal causation.”
And your point? Research is the art of finding correlations, and then proposing and debating chains of causation. Correlations are the first step, and they are interesting even when not dispositive. I, at least, haven’t said this work proves anything.
The quoted article to a limited extent, and apparently the underlying research paper to a greater extent, discusses various possible chains of causation. Reciting truisms from logic 101 doesn’t go far toward refuting the conclusions of the researchers.
“2. I couldn’t disagree more that rape is a crime of sexual frustration. For one thing, this puts the blame on women for not putting out more, as if the constant threat of rape that we face isn’t enough stress in our lives.”
Facts don’t put blame anywhere. And nobody on ErosBlog has blamed sexual frustration on women. Fascinating that you would leap, on behalf of women, to propose the idea that women are responsible for sexual frustration. You didn’t read that here.
My own view is that the root cause of sexual frustration is bad communication of various sorts. Failure to educate kids about sex, about common courtesy, about respect for other people; failure to discuss sex openly in front of children and young adults as the miracle of pleasure and love that it can be; failure to teach young people the basic interpersonal skills that make them loveable, fuckable, capable of friendly seduction or receptive to same. Basically, failure to civilize them.
Women saying “no” isn’t anywhere in that equation. It’s a common result — emotionally inept barbarians aren’t very attractive — but it’s not a root cause.
Anyway, if there is a factual correlation between male sexual frustration and rape, denying that fact for reasons of sexual politics would be both disingenous and wrong.
And finally, the majority of men, most of whom have experienced sexual frustration in their lives, wouldn’t think of raping a woman; an unwilling partner would never be a turn-on.
Agreed. But why do you think this says anything useful about the role sexual frustration plays in the motives of the evil bastards who rape?
Nobody said sexual frustration was some sort of evil kryptonite that turns all men into rapists. Obviously it doesn’t. But that doesn’t mean sexual frustration is irrelevant.
“3. Fundamentally it doesn’t matter why anyone rapes.”
You have got to be kidding me. That statement is equivalent to saying you’re not interested in having rape stop.
To make a deplorable thing stop, we must first understand why it happens. That’s basic science. All people of good will ought to be interested in why rapists rape. I’m stunned to hear an ErosBlog reader suggest otherwise.
Er, Eric: “Social cure all”? I’ll thank you not to put that “claim” in my mouth.
I won’t argue with you about porn having complex effects on patterns of sexual arousal. It obviously does. Some of these are bad, in my opinion — I’ve experienced a version of the imagination stifling you mention — but some of them are very very good. Porn can have all sorts of beneficial effects on libido, relief of repression, stimulus of sharing fantasies with partners — it’s a long list. But not an unmixed blessing, no indeed.
I am not getting on board with your objectification / “might cause more rapes” argument. That’s the same tired old argument we’ve been hearing since the dawn of MacKinnonite feminism, but it’s mighty short of supporting evidence. It might be true, but there seems not to be much evidence that it actually is true. And, indeed, your argument is ironic, coming in the context of the article prompting this post that suggests — suggests, not proves — the contrary. So I don’t worry unduly about insupportable mights.
I wonder if there is any similar research on sexual crime rates and the availability of niche porn mags. Although print media is (at least imo) less likely to be willing to show such extreme fare as you’ll see on the net, so perhaps the tension releasing effect is lessor.
Enthralling thread! I wish I had something to add, but Bacchus, you summed up my thoughts exactly, once again. Thanks for sharing the fascinating research.
On the effects of internet porn and rape…
This statement:
It’s easy to imagine how porn might serve as a substitute for rape.
Is just the flip-side of what “they” have been saying for ages:
It’s easy to imagine how porn can provide the inspiration or catalyst to rapist, who might otherwise be under self-control.
You say potato and they say potatoe.
I can “imagine” both statements to be true, to some degree. But, I’m not buying that it’s a significant effect either way. And, I would think the minimal positive and negative effects (with respect to rape) would just counter one another.
If the spread of internet access is somehow linked to a decrease in sexual assaults, then I think it must be due to some third factor at play.
[quote]# Honeychurch Says:
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:32 pm
>>SNIP
I wonder if the availability of violent, degrading porn might be just what some potential rapists are looking for, and they can get their thrill without resorting to going out and doing something that could send them to jail. Porn! When you’re to lazy to go and rape someone yourself!
Kidding! I am not saying that porn is all or inherently degrading, just that you can find almost any kind of porn on the internet.
I guess I don’t think it’s about access to porn as a reliever of sexual frustration, per se, I think it’s about the specific availability of the kind of material that does play to degradation and power through sexual violence. “Violence and degradation frustration” rather than “sexual” itself.
I also would like to say that I don’t think sexual frustration causes rape. I find it hard to believe that someone who wouldn’t ordinarily rape can get so frustrated sexually that they’ll skip consent “just this once.” Either they are a person who respects consent every time, or they are someone who doesn’t respect consent. I doubt there’s a case of, “Golly, if only they had masturbated before the date/hiding in the bushes with a knife/sneaking into the neighbor’s house, that rape wouldn’t have happened.” Call me a skeptic ;-)
Thanks for the provocative post, Bacchus :-)
# Honeychurch Says:
November 2nd, 2006 at 5:32 pm
3. Fundamentally it doesn’t matter why anyone rapes. It’s about whether or not the woman consents, period, end of story.
last entry was hacked up.
either way, that statement is like saying “I don’t care how cancer occurs, just fix it”. You need to know why something is happening before you can cure it. You seem to imply that only women are raped. I suspect those men and boys who have been raped, would also be interested in making sure that it never happens to another person.
Fundamental flaw in argument: “lower incidence of REPORTED rape.”
A lower incidence of reported rape does not mean there is less rape. There are a variety of factors to be considered in response to reporting to law enforcement. And reporting to LE doesn’t mean it will be entered in as a sex crime, it may be just considered a general “assault” for a variety of reasons relating to crime reporting and the benefit that LE agencies get from having lower crime rates, or lower “violent” crime rates (and assault and battery is not considered a statutorily violent offense in many states, whereas CSC is).
Just thought I’d point out that fundamental flaw. The more subjective ones I’ll leave out. I thought it to be a very interesting post, though!
Let me preface this comment by saying that I realize that this is anecdotal evidence, not scientific evidence.
In reference to the statement containing the phrase, “…it doesn’t matter why anyone rapes.”
This got me to thinking. I just happen to have two close acquaintances, one male, the other female, who had close relationships with rapists, and/or their immediate families.
From conversations, a seemingly interesting similarity is that both of these young male rapist referred to their mothers as being a bitch, and had no respect for them. Among the victims of these rapists were their mother’s closest female friends and social acquaintances (garden club co-members, bridge club co-members, neighbors, etc.).
Another interesting fact that I gleaned, was that their fathers held a considerably disproportionately favorable financial advantage over their mothers (who likely used their looks to land these “meal tickets”, and who seemed to openly withhold affection from their spouses in order to gain access to favorable shopping spree allowances).
Here’s the apparent pathology of their thought pattern:
The child’s thinking seemed to be that “Mother married for money and not love, therefore Mother is a whore. My mother is a female. If my own mother is a whore, then all females must therefore be whores, inferior creatures, undeserving of my respect or empathy.
Also of note, each of their fathers seemed to be emotionally distant, if not actually physically distant, preferring to nurture his highly successful business interests over his family interests.
This might make a great thesis idea for a college grad student to gather data on, and see if there is any relevance…