Porn And Meat
I hate to just dump a picture post, so here’s a picture to make you think:
The interesting question is, what does it make you think? Discuss among yourselves.
For me, it raises all sorts of questions. Is it supposed to be funny, in a mock-heroic Great White Hunter sort of way? (Obviously not very* funny, but I think I found it on Urod.ru, where the humor tends to run low. You can’t entirely blame those low-brow Russki misogynists, though, because that truck is an American classic or I’ll eat the hood ornament.)
Or is it supposed to be a deep feminist commentary on the treatment of women in porn? Or on the treatment of women, in general?
Or, contrariwise, might it be a direct reminder message from the Patriarchy on the supposed equation between women and meat?
We might know more if we knew who the photographer was. Which says a lot, all by itself, about the difficulty of finding meaning in a context-less photograph.
Have fun, but be nice.
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so unapealling it hardly deserves discussion – perhaps if there was context on any of your suggestions, maybe, but by itself, just no.
autoeroticism?
:::sorry, couldn’t help myself :-):::
Peter, obviously, to somebody, it was appealing enough to photograph. You don’t have something to say about that, fine, but I’m not sure where you get off deciding if it “deserves” discussion.
It makes me quite queasy, actually – but mostly because you’ve mentioned the source. I’ve read enough of urod.ru to imagine the cheering that followed its posting. Though in fairness, that’s my own problem, rather than that of the photo.
Ah, perhaps I’m fortunate in that I have just enough Russian to puzzle out the odd headline or navigational link, but not enough to read anything substantive.
But of course Urod.ru is not the source, as most of their pictures (and this is not a slam, it’s as true of Erosblog) come from somewhere else.
I can’t see how a person wouldn’t be queasy viewing this picture, as — despite no obvious signs of injury, and no real reason to expect any — the model appears in a posture intended to suggest she’s been shot dead. But queasy or no queasy, it’s an interesting picture nonetheless — I think — precisely because of the difficulty (impossibility?) of answering the main question: what’s it for?
The overweening hubris of the hunter shows it to be more of a social commentary on the state of the relationship between some men and some women. Is this any more misogynistic than having a “trophy” wife (husband)?
These days its getting harder and harder to distinguish between satire and seriousness. Thirty or forty years ago, it might have been seen as a commentary on the treatment of women, but today it is probably just intended to shock or to appeal to those who enjoy this kind of thing.
I think the message is more along the lines of ‘this is what most hunters really wish they were hunting for, a beautiful woman’. You can certainly argue that mixing sex and guns becomes very sensitive and very quickly but I don’t think there is any intentional message of mysogyny. You could have a picture of a computer nerd playing with a naked woman on a desk instead of a computer and get much the same message just with a different set of men involved.
Clearly this is a depiction of a true redneck male.
The Manlier than manly man there, the gun, the pick-up and the obviously (drunk?) submissive woman there. I only notice 2 things missing here, the 30 pack of coors and the marlboro hanging from her lip.
j_i*
Maybe I’m going to upset some people by saying I don’t really see anything wrong with it? What it looks like to me is bondage. As there are no signs that she’s dead, I can’t assume she is, and since submission and bondage are such popular fetishes, perhaps this is just one way of portraying that. Caveman behavior, if you will (the man catches the woman and drags her off by her hair).
And when men go out trying to find a date or a lay, aren’t they basically hunting? That’s all this portrays, in my opinion.
i agree with lillith. i see nothing erong with this pisture. seems like the man has gone off and got himself a woman!
I certainly wasn’t trying to suggest that there was something wrong with the picture. I’m not sure art is ever “wrong” per se. But art (any posed photograph, really) generally has a message. And what struck me about this photo was the hugely wide selection of possible messages that might be encoded in it. I’m genuinely uncertain which of them the photographer may have intended.
I’m rotten… The first thing that popped into my miind was “Women, the other pink meat.”
Sorry…
I think it’s quite funny actually, because it portraits the sarcasm so well about someone here just said: man hunting for a woman and he is proud that he ‘got’ one — even though she appears to be dead, which is not why a man wanted a woman for? :)
As usual (not always), what we see in art tells us more about ourselves than it does about the artist or the art. As painful or delightful as that may be. Bravo to Bacchus for finding and displaying such a controversial piece. May I have another one?
I get why this picture is sexy for some people and I´m not going to throw any rocks at them, specially because I don´t think we really chose waht we find sexy. But I think this image is quite disturbing. I think it´s too agressive to be funny, too crude to be sexy. Maybe if it was done a little different, maybe a smile would have made all the difference. How it is, I just don´t like it.
As m said, no one knows what the photographer intended, what the “message” of the photograph is, or if there even is one. Personally, the photo makes me uncomfortable; I can’t see myself ever wanting to look at it again. But it’s unarguably well-executed, and susceptible to many disparate interpretations — which, on James Joyce’s birthday, seem like the two most important criteria for judging a work of art. There are a lot of people who never want to read “Ulysses” again either.
I WAS going to throw in with the punsters and make some lame joke about how he was probably out “bush” hunting, but I’m going to take another road here and spare your readers.
Here’s how I envision it went down:
Guy sees stunningly gorgeous woman. Guy thinks he’d love to see her naked. Guy wonders what she’d look like in bondage. Guy say to self: “I know, I’ll tell her I need this mysogynist hunter photo for a women’s lib mag, and that I’d like for her to pose”. Girl agrees. Guy thinks: “I’ll bet she’d look delicious with her arms over her head leaving her breasts vulnerable and something under her butt to make her pudenda pop and her iliums more prominent accentuating her delectable flat belly, something curved like the fender radius of an old pickup truck”. Guy says “Wait right here” goes to grab his camera, and realizes his fantasy, then sells pic to porn purveyor to cover modeling costs. That’s how I’d have played it anyhow…
Like “M” says… “what we see in art tells us more about ourselves than it does about the art. ” ;-)
Honestly, what I find most disturbing about this picture is the woman’s weight–she looks anorexic.
This isn’t intended as an insult. I just find pictures of extremely thin women, whether in porn or in fashion magazines, to be disturbing because of the message that they send (i.e. extremely underweight = sexy).
I didn’t understand that it was an image of a hunter with his prey. I guess I’m just too much of a city boy to make that connection. I thought it was an awkward angle and surface to lie down on and was having a hard time imagining trying to stay perched on that bumper. I tried imagining myself there but mostly just stopped at incredulity in response to the pose and the pointless guy.
On the other hand, maybe I just think he’s a jerk.
Perhaps I’m just not a deep individual, but my first thought was: “That looks uncomfortable”.
My first thought was, “what a jerk,” but then I’ve never really understood the appeal of misogyny or hunting. My second thought, however, was, “so where’s the rest of the herd?” It’s a pity this guy bagged one, but I like the implication that there are a whole bunch of pretty naked people out frolicking around somewhere. Mmm.
Nice boobies ! Even in that position :-) But the girl is obviously dead. She’s tied at the wrists and ankles over the vehicle bumper like a hunted deer. No other use for her in that position. No one in the pic seems sexually excited. Besides the aforementioned boobs, this has no more erotic power than a National Geographic shot. So it must be an artistic comment on women being treated as meat.
Yes, queasy, but I like the questions it brings up. And memorable–I predict that it will be in my head for a long time. It was obviously taken with a great deal of care, not impulsive. And the woman is not average–she is slim and seems very groomed. Though I’m uneasy, I like it, and I think it has a formal beauty, so generally, I would say it’s good art.
My first thought was isn’t that Hunter S Thompson? which sorta made sense, what with the gun and naked woman.
Kinda off the real topic, but you might find yourself having a tasty dinner of hood ornament — unless I’m quite mistaken, that postwar Chevrolet pickup design was one of the two or three that were licensed to (or possibly just copied by) Soviet manufacturers over the years. The Soviet Union likewise had vast quantities of Ford Model A lookalike trucks in WWII.
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In 1986 we visited China. I was suprised to see many Ford trucks vintage 1938 which looked brand new.
I later learned that the Chinese had taken a US dump truck apart copied it bolt by bolt and were still making
til that day.
As for the naked girl and the dude with the double barrel shotgun I don’t know.
jim
Gee, I don’t know why you guys can’t see this: try substitute the woman with a dead elk or something like that. You still can’t see it’s a hunting and trophy thing????
Here’s the website of the photographer for your pic. The russian site’s swiped it. I happen to like this one quite a bit and thought it was pretty funny, mocking the whole ‘great white hunter’ and ‘woman as meat’ ideas.
http://www.erot....com/
Caution: if you’re not into some pretty severe S&M, then use the self filtering mechanism he’s got on the site.
That’s a shotgun Cleatus is holding, not the weapon of of choice for anything other than a avian sport hunter. (But, she’s quite a bird – as the Brits would exclaim! Seems not intended to be anything but mildy humorous and just cheeky ‘art’ my humble opion.
Carmen, thanks for finding the source for this picture. I appreciate it.
Mo, in many parts of the United States a shotgun is the weapon of choice (sometimes, required by law) for deer hunting (think “buck shot”, though sometimes a rifled slug is used) as well as for game birds.
What I think? Peace of cake: A great shot.
=^.^=
“Thirty or forty years ago, it might have been seen as a commentary on the treatment of women,”
Personally this was my first thought. Yes, it does ring of the trophy wife, proud hunter got his game; however, it could also be presenting the illusion of the feminine death of identity, coupled with the death of choice/power (hands/feet bound like a fresh kill) once in union with a man through marriage.
I am sorry people find this that uneasy to look at, even today. Especially considered somethings still ring very true in our world. Too often people have their materialistic toys and trophies to derive ego from. And unfortunately in the midwest US, I can think of 10 people by name whom in conversation will mention their cars, guns and women (usually in that order) when ego comes into play. Some parts of the world are not so indifferent. I believe the fact that we do discuss this one so is a true compliment to the complexity of this piece of art.
I kinda like it for the satire that it is.
Who cares about the woman? I’m looking at that fine old pickup, the fishing stream {trout?} and that shotgun. There’s a time and place for everything. I just hope the guy had a nice tent and a frying pan….
It looks like he got a woman, strapped her to his truck, and I daresay when he gets her home, he’s going to mount her.
–Anthony
it’s a chuckler. there is no deep meaning in this picture. it’s a guy with his catch, his trophy. i laughed cuz i myself like guns trucks and naked women, sometimes all three at the same time
I must be a city boy too, as I didn’t get that it was a hunting situation until the coments.