Butthurt After Being Rejected By A Porn Star
I know this is supposed to be a sex blog and not a porn industry blog, dammit, but I’ve published ErosBlog for long enough to put me in the porn industry if you look at things just right, and this is where I blog. Anyway, I’m sharing this porn industry link for its sad sad comedy value. What happened is that a self-described “independent film maker” with “friends who work in your industry” posted a long rambling article to the leading adult webmaster board entitled “Porner’s Manifesto: How To Fix Your Industry“.
Some of the guy’s points are sort of obvious “how to do business” advice, but all mixed up with the unsolicited business advice were angry off-topic ranty bits about how porn stars should be more willing to sleep with their fans. I’ve excerpted heavily and taken liberties with paragraph order:
I know its hard but try to care about your fans. Afterall, if you did not have them, where would you be other than in some club trying to get noticed? Give something back to those who pay your bills and I am not talking about the director or producer. They get laid enough. You want to make a difference, try laying one of your fans. Get passed the fact that they do not look like your normal porn partners. So what? In a few years, you will not be as hot as the chick they will be supporting with their hard earned cash then. Build for your future. Ensure a fan for life. I promise you, one day your current fame or vision of fame will fade and what will you be?
Let’s get one thing straight. You have sex for money. Pure and simple. While I would agree this is an art form, it what it is. The only difference between a porn star and an escort is there is a camera involved. Yet, many of these stars tend to smoke the diva hash pipe. These so called stars are hot the day they arrive but once they have been around for awhile, a new girl comes right in to replace you. It doesn’t mean to get an attitude.
I overheard this porn chick one day at Starbucks in LA. Her and her agent were talking about how to increase her popularity and you can imagine the same bullshit. Go on KSex, web sites, radio, etc… So I mention the same things I just did above and the porner looked back at me and said and I quote: “Are you fucking stupid? Why would I ever want to fuck any of my fans? Have you ever seen my fans? They are fucking gross and fat. Why do you think they have to jerk off to me? The day I fuck my fans is the day I become a whore.â€? Now imagine that. I simply replied, you fuck for money, youre a whore.
Seriously, I have never seen an industry that ignores their fans the way porn stars do. Not to mention, these same stars are the ones who think they should be immune to the down times by charging the same rates to producers. I am unsure if anyone has tried to sit them down and explain that what they do isn’t that difficult to find someone else to do. Unless you shoot fireworks out of your vagina, you have sex on camera. It’s not something you went to college for. You do not need a special degree for it. You lay down, you have sex, and then take a brick in the mouth. But to listen to some girls, you would think they are curing world hunger or cancer. The only cancer they may be preventing is prostate cancer but thats still open to debate.
Anybody want to take odds that this guy has (or had) himself in mind as one of the fans “the talent” should be fucking for free? No, too easy? OK, what are the odds he’s actually tried, and failed miserably, to seduce a porn girl? (For “seduce” you could read “make a crude and lazy pass at” with, I suspect, great accuracy.)
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The ‘diva hash pipe’?? Quite the rant this guy has going on.
xx Dee
I personally liked the bit about “I have never seen an industry that ignores their fans the way porn stars do.” From what I’ve observed, porn stars are out schmoozing all the time: Conventions, radio stations, bars, sex clubs, strip clubs, restaurants… It’s all publicity, and they DO this, a LOT. Furthermore, to suggest that because you have sex for a living means you should have sex with any fanboy/girl who happens to come along (no pun intended) is completely off-kilter. It actually goes more towards the ‘She couldn’t have been raped, your honor! She’s a stripper!’ attitude than anything else, which is just plain stupid.
SO… What we have is a disgruntled fanboy who believes it’s his RIGHT to have sex with a porn star just because porn stars happen to have sex as part of their jobs. I wonder if the Banjo Boy from Deliverance is available to explain the facts of life to this fine, upstanding (koffkoff) creature.
If he feels that way he should make independent films for all of his fans, assuming he has any. After all, he is just a guy with a camera…
…And so, because Joe Schmoe works at McDonald’s, this guy thinks that on his off-time Joe should make him free fries, too. I hate Hate HATE people who think they are entitled to ANYTHING from ANYONE, and this guy just hit my shitlist.
God, see, this is the reason why porn stars disdain their fans in the first place- instead of being articulate, kind, and polite, they far too often talk to porn stars either in idiot or asshole mode. Makes it all the more difficult for real fans to express their feelings and not get a bad reaction.
Granted, I didn’t much care for the porn star in question’s response, but if I were in her situation talking to this jerk, I’d probably say the same thing.
Ugh. I’m sick of men hating and demeaning the same women they jerk off to . . . and feeling like that makes them somehow above reproach.
“…Unless you shoot fireworks out of your vagina…”
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The tragic reality is that the money that pays the porn stars to be ‘stars’ comes from the fact that sad, gross guys do pay to jerk off at them, and that they, the ‘stars’, are paid to have sex by these same, sad, gross, jerking-off guys. It’s just lucky for the egos of all concerned that the camera comes between them to protect them all from the reality of what’s happening.
Frankly, if ‘porn fans’ were capable of being ‘articulate, kind and polite’, they probably wouldn’t feel the need to identify as ‘porn fans’…
so according to his logic prostitutes have no right to say “no”
and he views the women who are in porn as prostitutes QED
ok premise A is false — premise B is dubious
plus he wanted sex for free but … at this point I get tired of the stupidity
as Cand86 wrote “I’m sick of men hating and demeaning the same women they jerk off to” seconded
if he had a little more respect for women he might be more likely to find a woman that wanted to have sex with him instead of his significant other being his hand plus it always helps to have some level of realistic understanding of relative attractiveness
he’s complaining that pretty women don’t want to have sex with fat ugly men which makes me wonder how he would treat a woman who he would regard as a fat ugly woman. Double standards? Especially when I would suspect that he himself is no oil painting! I wonder if he has a sense of irony.
I don’t think any person should be obligated to have sex with anyone he or she doesn’t want to have sex with, regardless of what that person does to pay the bills.
I suspect you’re right about that guy having tried and failed to seduce a porn star.
Churches lock their doors after service, and so should porn stars.
If he’s not a troll, then he should be proud of his standing in the moronosphere.
[nb: go see Idiocracy and you will understand that people like him will one day be in charge. Oh, wait…]
Dave #7, I am afraid I must vigorously disagree with your stereotypes about porn fans — there are sad gross people everywhere to be sure (just look in the U.S. Senate!), but the “dirty large secret” that’s been coming out in recent years as defense lawyers fight obscenity charges with Google search data to establish community standards is that porn fans are everywhere, they are us, they are society at large. Your stereotypes about porn consumers are as outdated as the quoted jerk’s attitudes about women in general and porn talent in particular.
Well I am not a porn fan, so I cannot speak for such.
But, there does seem to be a striking criticism that is not being made here. This is another rant against an imaginary individual that personifies a whole class of people and is somehow responsible for all the ranter’s grievances. I have indulged in this art form in my own head many times, epically when I don’t yet have enough courage to actually say something. Publishing it is something else. (Can’t you see how careful I am being not to rant against a certain sub-class of bloggers? Does speaking of them in the third person actually help?)
He does get a certain amount of sympathy anyway. If you fuck for money, you are a whore. Is he really implying that whore’s shouldn’t be able to choose their clients? I don’t think so. He’s probably just hurt because he thinks he is fat and gross and is hurt by her comments. He may be right.
So why the linkage? Why do rants like this illicit so many comments? (Why is my comment so long?) His rant is just wasted breath. Shrinking industries do not usually compete for quality. They compete for a niche. The people working in it are job scared, and with smaller margins they need to turn their money around faster. Being an old-fashioned whore is where job security and better money lies.
“Frankly, if ‘porn fans’ were capable of being ‘articulate, kind and polite’, they probably wouldn’t feel the need to identify as ‘porn fans’… ”
I don’t agree with this at all! (And thanks for the great comment, Bacchus!). I’m continually amazed at the level of intelligence and sensitivity of many porn fans. Undoubtedly there are weirdos out there- as there are in all fandoms- but you can like porn and not be a stereotypical “loser”.
English is not my first language so maybe I am just reading his rant (excuse me, manifesto) wrong BUT he writes in a really ugly way. It sounds ugly and it looks ugly.
Just because the public you are addressing your manifesto to is on a messageboard, does not mean you should throw all style out of the window.
Also, imagine any kind of porn fan in your head and I’ll bet there’s at least one of them out there. If all you can imagine is a “sad, gross, jerking-off guy” then you’ve got a poor mind indeed.
I see all the main stances have been covered in the comments here, so I’ll go the Fark way.
Bacchus – did you also take liberties with his grammar and punctuation?
No, all the words and punctuations are just as he hammered them out with his keyboard and forehead.
My impression is that some folks learned everything they ‘know’ about the porn industry from ‘the ballad of Chasey Lain’, by the Bloodhound Gang. This letter reads a lot like that.
K.
I may be drunk, but that reply made me laugh Bacchus.
I feel for porn stars- having a stalker isn’t fun and can be fatal. At the same time, the hateful attitude you see from some of these women is amazing. It’s just the nature of the biz, I get it. But, if you’re an actress, could you at least PRETEND not to loathe every fiber of a fan’s being when he recognizes you? That’s acting.
I am not a porn star… but I’m a woman and there’s A big difference between having a camera and actually sleeping with a man.
That’s guy is a loser who can’t get laid to save his life.
Hmm.. I think maybe this guy is taking the wrong tack in claiming that porn stars would be more successful if they slept with their fans. That is just not the point. However… If prostitutes distributed promotional video materials, I bet that it would in fact increase their business. Unfortunately for them, while porn is legal, prostitution is not, however similar the product. Random sex with fans for free is also a good deal more dangerous.
Its not like a fast food guy making fries for free in order to up his business, it’s like that same guy wrestling to the death endangered wolverines to make free wolverine burgers to up his business.
That idiot defames independent film-makers by writing so poorly and claiming to be one.
Although he’s clearly idiotic on the point in the excerpt — sexual performance on camera for money with a regularly-tested partner is a completely different thing from sex for free with some random person who once bought a copy of the performer’s on-camera performance.
A few of his points in the full rant (not in the excerpt) were reasonable, such as his complaint about poor camera work and sometimes-dubious business practices. But I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone who has been in the business for any length of time.
My favorite reply along those lines:
“You just walked into a carpenters union and told us how we don’t know how to make furniture. And turns out you’re a plumber.”
Maybe he could broaden his horizons a bit and lobby for all performers to have sex with their fans?
I’ve got a receipt for an Avril Lavigne album, and I’m sure there’s one somewhere for ‘The Golden Compass’ and ‘Eyes Wide Shut’, I quite fancy Nicole Kidman, that should be enough to prove I’m deserving a couple of ‘celebrity sex favours’.
;)
Note to commenter #24:
*snort*
(Great logic. I adore the way you think.)