Lying For Your Business: Etology.com
There is no sex in this post — it’s a post about the business of blogging. Feel free to skip it.
Short version: this is a warning to my fellow adult bloggers about a very dubious pitch you may have received recently. Etology.com is sending out spammy emails to adult bloggers in which the company feigns an interest in buying ads, only to abandon that pretense once you answer the email. Without further ado, having confirmed your interest in selling ads, they begin giving the hard sell for ad brokerage services — not buying any ads at all, but rather, offering your ad space to their network of potential advertisers. Classic bait-and-switch: first the false offer (the bait) to get your attention, then the switch to the real offer. Illegal in some jurisdictions, scummy everywhere.
Long version follows.
On Monday, I received a curious email:
Subject: I want to Buy Ad Space on erosblog.com
Greetings,
I would like to buy advertising space on your website erosblog.com. Do you have anything available? Please let me know.
Best Regards,
Tai Kinney
Account Manager
www.Etology.com
Emails like this are not uncommon. What made this one curious is that Etology.com is an advertising broker; they act as a middleman between web publishers and web advertisers, collecting a commission on all the advertising transactions they touch, and helping to facilitate those transactions. I would expect them to be making a pitch to broker any available ad space ErosBlog might have, but buying advertising space here? It didn’t make sense. The “spam or con job” hairs on the back of my neck went up.
No matter; they got one of my standard responses, the low-effort one I save for leads I don’t think will amount to anything:
Hi, Tai. Ad space on Erosblog is available through the Blogads “advertise on ErosBlog” links in the ErosBlog sidebars. Prices and availability are visible when you follow those links.
Thanks for your interest!
I will confess to sending the above in a spirit of modest mischief. Even if Etology.com had a genuine interest in buying advertising space on ErosBlog, the idea that they might wish to do so via the services of a competing ad brokerage service (BlogAds) is, perhaps, implausible.
When I sent the above email, my “send-and-receive” email operation brought an identically worded email addressed to another one of my sites, with the only word of difference being the domain name. Asking about buying ad space via bulk email? Really? The unlikely inquiry now began to seem downright implausible.
And sure enough, my next communique from Etology.com was strangely silent about the ad space they wanted to buy just three hours and twenty-seven minutes previously:
Thank you for your quick response. I just want to mention that we are the largest adult advertising network and we have great relationships with big advertisers like rude.com, redtube.com, youporn.com, and many others. We offer the highest industry publisher payouts and I would like the opportunity to help you better monetize your ad space. I’m very interested in working with you and your website, please contact me so that we can see if we are a good fit.
Regards,
Tai Kinney
Account Manager
www.Etology.com
That’s a form letter, an email macro, and it contains the standard ad brokerage sales pitch: “to help you better monetize your ad space.” Which, it may surprise you to learn, I am not against. Monetization buys me beer and bacon and dinners out with The Nymph. But there’s the little matter of the bait and switch, which is so offensively blatant and dishonest that it has — not to put too fine a point on things — righteously pissed me off. What, am I supposed to be too stupid to notice that the bait has been yanked away?
More serious than me being pissed off is the issue of trust. Ad brokers, like affiliate programs, are notorious for collecting services from webmasters (in this case, ad inventory, page views for web ads) and then being slow to pay, or finding some lame excuse (“bad traffic” is the vague classic) not to pay at all, or simply getting behind on payments and then going out of business without paying anybody. It happens all the time.
Which means, of course, that if you do business on the web, business that involves collecting, holding, and transmitting money on behalf of webmasters, you need to be (or at least to look) as trustworthy as a bank. Your fundamental business challenge is to convince webmasters to trust you with their money. And that’s not easy. Webmasters who have been been repeatedly burned are a hostile and suspicious lot, when it comes to trying the next great new program. We’ve heard all the monetization promises before, and been burned by too many of them.
One way in which you do NOT gain a reputation for being trustworthy is to lie to your potential business associates in your very first freaking email to them. As J.P. Morgan once famously said, “A man I do not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom.” Thus, my interest in pursuing Etology’s offer to broker my ad inventory, an interest that was never very high, is now … how shall I put this delicately? … very low.
Nonetheless, I was fascinated by the blatant nature of the initial deception, and amused by the slight dissonance resulting from the macro/form-letter nature of their brokerage pitch. In response to my response, they sent me a standard brokerage marketing pitch with out-of-place “please contact me” phrasing. Let’s ask about that, aggressively:
Er, I’m confused. I just DID contact you in response to a request from you to buy ad space. Why are you asking me to contact you a second time? Was your first email just a bait-and-switch spam to advertise your ad brokerage service? If so, that’s an exceptionally dubious business practice that’s not encouraging me to explore doing business with you.
In all honesty, I never expected to hear from them again. I was forgetting that it never pays to underestimate the tenacity, or overestimate the chutzpah, of a commissioned salesperson:
I apologize for the confusion. I just wanted to see if there was any interest in me helping you monetize your ad space on your website. Like I said before we are the largest adult advertising network and we have the highest industry publisher payouts. My intention is to help pair up our advertisers with publishers that have great sites like yours. Please let me know if there is any interest.
Thank you for your time,
Tai Kinney
Account Manager
www.Etology.com
Well, there we have it — a bare apology (for my confusion, natch, not for anything Tai actually did) and the sales pitch a second time. At least it’s now fairly clear that Tai never had any interest in buying ad space; the deceptive intent in the first email is now confirmed.
Sometimes the devil gets in me, and I write challenging emails to people. This was one of those times:
I’m sorry, Tailynn, but I’m still not sure I understand what’s going on here. The first email from you had the following subject line: “I want to Buy Ad Space on erosblog.com.” The first sentence of that email was “I would like to buy advertising space on your website erosblog.com.”
You are now saying “I just wanted to see if there was any interest in me helping you monetize your ad space.” That’s really quite different, and not, I think, a matter of “confusion” if your only interest is in brokering sales of ad space on behalf of third-party advertisers. That would not be confusion on my part, but rather, deception on yours.
So, which is it? Was your initial inquiry in respect to buying ad space, or brokering it?
I note with interest that I am now receiving queries identical to your first at some of my other blog properties. Right now it looks very much to me like you are engaging in deceptive spam practices, unless there’s some aspect to our communications which I am misunderstanding. I hope you can clear this up for me?
At this point, Tai’s best plan would have been to fess up to the deception, apologize for it, wish me a nice day, and move on, hoping I would forget all about it and never mention it to anyone.
What I got was the first two things in eight words, a miraculous verbal economy. This full and fair but extremely sparse apology was followed by — you guessed it! — more sales pitch. First sentence: I’m sorry I lied to you. Next seven sentences: now let me tell you how great it’s going to be doing business with you!
I apologize for being misleading in my inquiries. Let me start over. My company Etology.com is an adult advertising network that helps pair up advertisers with publishers like yourself that have great sites. We’ve developed extensive relationships with big advertisers like youporn, rude.com, and redtube to name a few. We also have a large selection of network ads. My offering to you is to place advertising on your site to help monetize your ad space, thus helping you make money from your site. The types of ads available to you are GTBs, text, banner, commercial breaks, and in-video XML. Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best Regards,
Tai Kinney
Account Manager
www.Etology.com
Astonishing. Shorter Tai: “I lied, I’m sorry, but I don’t see why we can’t still do business.”
I decided to decline the invitation to let Tai start over. Churlish of me, I suppose. Instead, I offered Tai the short lecture on business ethics, along with modest foreshadowing as to why it’s not smart to lie to bloggers on behalf of your internet company:
Tailynn, thank you for being — on your fourth try — straightforward with me. I’ll try to be as straightforward with you.
As it happens, I am interested in finding another ad broker. I had previously looked at Etology, but your website contains no information suggesting that it is an adult-advertising friendly network, so I had dismissed it as a possibility.
However, your initial contact with me was, as you have now admitted, a deliberate lie. You are spamming bloggers with a false and misleading inquiry in an attempt to get attention, and then you are baiting and switching, disclaiming any interest in buying ad space and instead offering your brokerage services.
Not only is that unconscionable as a spamming technique, it is laughably stupid. It establishes you and your company as untrustworthy, which is a very poor basis for attracting new publishers to your network. A publisher has to trust an ad broker with collection and remission of funds. How on earth could I trust your company with my money, when your initial business contact with me consisted of a blatant and deliberate lie?
I am planning to complain publicly about your mendacious business practices to provide warning to the blogging community, but before I do so, I’d like to give someone in a position of higher authority in your organization an opportunity to comment on whether this sort of mendacious business practice is consistent with your corporate policies. Do you have any suggestions as to whom I should forward my complaint and request for corporate comment? Or shall I simply start with your abuse and support emails and work from there?
That one was sent after close of business Monday. A couple of hours into Tuesday’s business day, there was no response. As I was indeed planning to make this blog post, it seemed only fair to Etology to give them at least one shot to spin this their way. So I sent the following email to support@, abuse@, Tai, and to Brock Purpura, Etology CEO, whose email I deduced from press releases and from the Etology.com standard email conventions:
Subject: Complaint And Request For Corporate Comment
Hello. I have a complaint about Etology’s email marketing practices. Specifically, one of your Account Managers is spamming adult bloggers with a deceptive come-on, claiming that Etology wants to “buy” ad space and then, once this lie gets a blogger response, switching over to the standard “we’d like to help you monetize your ad space” broker sales pitch. As you are in the brokerage business, there can be no doubt that your sales managers know the difference between “buy” and “help monetize”, so the initial email appears to be an obvious and deliberate lie.
I consider lying to prospective customers to be an abusive and deceptive marketing practice that reflects extremely badly on Etology.com. I will, for whatever little it may be worth, be making my disgust at this marketing practice public, on my blog, tomorrow morning.
However, I am conscious that in a competitive sales environment, sales personnel sometimes do things that are not in accord with company policy. Accordingly, I have decided to hold off on making my complaint public until tomorrow morning, and to send this email in the interim. Please forward this email to whomever in your company might wish to comment on whether lying to generate sales leads comports with Etology’s accepted business ethics and policies.
The “abuse” email address bounced, no such address. None of the others bounced. Thirty six minutes later, I had my answer. There is a {snip} in the middle; I have elided (for brevity) four more paragraphs of sales pitch about Etology’s ad brokerage services:
I know that you are upset and I apologize for the choice of words that were used in the emails below. Tailynn is fairly new and may have overstepped with her first few emails.
I would like to provide an explanation of what Etology does. We are an online ad network that pairs up advertisers and publishers. Simple as that. We broker the ads and pay the publishers 75% of all the earnings. We pay our internally managed publishers twice a month, as opposed to net 30, like other ad networks.
{snip}
I apologize again, but hope I have cleared up any misunderstandings about our service and practices. I will be here to answer any questions or address concerns that you have about our service and practices. Feel free to contact me through instant message if that is easier for you. Thank you.
Jeff Sue
Account Manager
www.etology.com
This is standard PR smoothing, consisting of an acknowledging my aggrieved status followed by a non-apology apology. The “choice of words” is apologized for, but the underlying deception? Nope. This was a matter of unfortunate phrasing, nothing more, now let me tell you how we are going to get rich together!
Those of you in the adult industry will also recognize, and be laughing at, that phrase “Tailynn is fairly new.” Whenever an adult industry company is caught spamming, shaving, stealing web page designs, or doing anything else unsavory, the standard PR response is that “it was a new employee, and we didn’t know about the behavior.” It’s such a predictable response that it’s become something of an inside joke.
To be fair, in this case I wouldn’t be surprised if the bog-standard excuse also turned out to be actually true. The bait-and-switch deception is such a phenomenally bad idea from a business standpoint that it very well might be the act of a new employee desperate and eager to make a tough sales quota. But in that case, shouldn’t I be hearing an unequivocal disavowal of the practice, and an apology for something more substantial than “choice of words”? No, Jeff said “Tailynn … may have overstepped with her first few emails.” Or maybe not; for Jeff, it’s a wobbler. Maybe we really do approve of lying to sales leads? Jeff doesn’t know; Jeff can’t say.
Of course you know I had to write back to him:
Jeff, I appreciate your email, and I’ll be including the pertinent paragraphs in the blog post I make about this matter. Unfortunately, I find your reaction to this problem to show a disturbing lack of concern.
This is not a “choice of words” issue. One of your people is *lying* to prospective business contacts. Your response fails to indicate whether Etology condones that behavior; when you say she “may have overstepped” you leave open that she may *not* have. I’m looking for an unequivocal response from Etology.com as to whether, as a matter of corporate policy, she did.
Let me be explicit. Like everyone who does business on the internet, I prioritize my email responses. Spammish emails offering me business services like your ad brokerage receive attention at a much lower priority than requests to purchase advertising. By sending a fraudulent request to buy advertising, your person is deliberately exploiting this difference in priorities — lying to get to the head of the line. Obviously, when the lie is discovered, it creates anger and resentment, along with a fundamental lack of trust that — one would think — is a problem for a company that’s expected to collect and remit funds to its publisher customers.
I used to work in an office where salesmen would lie to our receptionist, claiming to be clients, in order to get their sales calls forwarded to my desk. Obviously, they and their companies went on my permanent blacklist for this behavior. My current complaint — and my reaction to it — is analogous. But, now that we live in the era of blogs and Google, I can more easily “share my blacklist” (and the reasons for it) with the world, in the interest of making this sort of behavior off limits for reputable companies.
Accordingly, I think it would be in Etology’s best interest to disavow this marketing practice in unequivocal words.
Thanks for your time.
Writing that email forced me to figure out why I care as much about this as I do. We live in an attention economy these days, and prioritizing our attention is vital to business success. I (well, me and my filters) sort four or five thousand emails a day, most of them spam and most of the rest, bacn. Sorting out the tiny but significant fraction of business email from people who actually want to send me money? That’s a vital business function that takes a lot of time and effort. Lying to me in an effort to subvert my vital business functions? Way to piss me off.
Lying for attention is theft of attention, and it’s not just a minor offense. Time is money, and stealing one is as bad as stealing the other. If the corporate culture at Etology.com is honestly supportive of this type of deception, they are not a company I’d enjoy having to trust for a monthly check.
Jeff’s response, this morning:
I am very concerned about all customers of Etology/AVN. Without our customers being happy and satisfied, we would not exist as the largest adult ad network.
As I mentioned Tailynn is fairly new here. It was not that she was lying, it’s just that she took the wrong approach and didn’t explain herself properly (as we do offer to buy adspace out right for a flat rate). I’m sure you can understand how issues happen when you are new on a job. Regardless, the lack of information resulted in your time used on deciphering, which ultimately led to mistrust. Again, I apologize for that.
We have addressed the issue with Tailynn and management and offer our customer support to your questions and concerns.
Jeff Sue
Account Manager
www.etology.com
So there you have it, another non-apology apology, apologizing for my reaction and my “mistrust” rather than for the actual wrong done. No, wait, I forgot, Jeff says “I would like to buy advertising space” was not a lie, even though the person writing it had no intention of buying advertising space, because the company more broadly does sometimes (but not this time) “offer to buy adspace.” Sorry, Jeff, but Tailynn herself told me “I just wanted to see if there was any interest in me helping you monetize your ad space.” Tailynn herself said “I apologize for being misleading in my inquiries.” If there was ever any intention to “buy” ad space on Erosblog, I gave Tailynn three chances to say so. She never did. If Etology.com cannot recognize the deliberately deceptive bait-and-switch, and acknowledge that it was problematic, Etology.com is not a safe company to do business with.
If any other webmasters have received dishonest solicitations from Etology.com, I’d be interested in hearing about it in the comments. And especially, if there’s any adult blogger from whom Etology.com has actually bought advertising space outright (as opposed to brokering it through their network) I’d like to hear about it.
Shorter URL for sharing: https://www.erosblog.com/?p=2326
I was approached by someone at Etology.com in October 2006 – but the email (copied below, and which I never responded to) is pretty different to the one you received, Bacchus:
Hi Abby-
I am reaching out to bloggers about advertising with Etology. Etology is a fast-growing advertising engine that allows publishers to sell custom ads on your website that can boost your bottom line and will give you access to hundreds of our direct advertisers.
The more advertisers that have access to your site, the more potential revenue you can generate. By tapping into our network of advertisers, Etology can give your site tremendous additional value on top of any existing advertising that you may currently have.
We also offer superb run-of-network and broker payouts. Continual advancement of our technology lead by our world class engineering team, and constant access to our sales team can help you optimize your traffic and set up custom deals specific to your site.
Check out and sign up for our program at http://www.etol...y.com to start your advertising campaign. You can manage your account and set your own prices. This is really intuitive and easy to use, but if you have any challenges or difficulties, don’t hesitate to reach out and contact me.
Let me know when you sign-up so I can be your primary contact at Etology.
Welcome to Etology and I look forward to helping you out!
Cheers,
Hanz Kurdi
http://www.etol...y.com
Hey now, that’s a perfectly acceptable cold-marketing email contact letter. If I’d gotten something like that, I might be doing business with Etology.com right now.
Thanks for the data point!
To paraphrase a comedian doing a Johnny Cochran impersonation:
“It’s audacious, it’s outrageous, it’s egregious!”
But more seriously, it really is incredible. Until we got to Jeff Sue’s casual reply, I thought perhaps Tailynn was merely some out-sourced boiler-room salesperson who didn’t understand English very well. I think it’s fairly obvious now that the entire sales division is poorly managed.
I used to have my own business for 12 years involving the manufacturing, wholesaling, and retailing of products. I learned quickly that salesmen who came across as the proverbial “used car” salesmen who talked fast and gave off heavy impersonal vibes, could NOT be trusted. Their interest was in grabbing a quick commission and moving on to the next pigeon. One guy thinking that i was merely a purchasing agent tried to bribe me into purchasing office supplies from him. He started off claiming that he was already one of my company’s vendors, which I knew he wasn’t and then he offered a ten carat emerald to buy some copier supplies from him. I said, “Listen, my guess is that these emeralds you are giving out, are uncut and highly flawed with cracks and impurities. You send me the emerald first, I’ll examine it, determine it’s real value, if any, and then we’ll talk about doing business.”
He was silent for a few seconds and then said “You are very astute”, and hung up. Of course, no emerald ever arrived. I had correctly pegged him from the first few words that came out of his mouth.
Jeff Sue used the weasel words that he had “addressed the issue with Tailynn and management”, meaning that he likely merely brought it to their attention, maybe forwarded your correspondence. I notice that he didn’t say that any measures had been taken to put an end to this sort of marketing practice. …or did I miss something…
This exercise in ethics is very timely, in light of these recent controversial remarks in today’s news by McCain’s economic advisor Phil Gramm, trying to convince us that our economic woes are all in our heads. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, was sponsored by Gramm and exempted most over-the-counter energy trades and trading on electronic energy commodity markets. It contained the now famous “Enron Loophole” which was drafted by Enron Lobbyists working with senator Gramm seeking a deregulated atmosphere for their new “experiment”. Attempts by ethical Legislators (up until 2006), were made to close this loophole, but were thwarted by a majority of less-ethical Legislators. An attempt to reverse this policy was also vetoed by President Bush in 2008.
Gramm has also been working to have the Estate Tax permanently repealed. He “sells” the idea by claiming this special windfall handout to the wealthiest few multi-millionaires will help the family farmer keep their farms in the family, when in reality almost no family farms would be affected. At least not in a POSITIVE way. It would more likely protect the super-wealthy farmers who are gobbling up smaller farms and becoming monopolies.
The billions of dollars lost by ending the Estate Tax which was mostly paid by the super-wealthy, must now be made up in other forms of taxes paid by low income individuals, those who can LEAST afford to pick up the tab, who are already paying a larger percentage of taxes than they were before, due to the increase in gasoline prices. Higher prices for gas has raised the price of consumer goods. The higher the price of merchandise, the more sales taxes are paid by the consumer.
Clinton opposed it but Bush is all for it. In 2002 an analysis featured in The Washington Post revealed that the heirs of George W. Bush would benefit by as much as $9.9 million if the estate tax is repealed. Richard Cheney’s heirs would reap an extra $40 million; Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s heirs as much as $120 million; Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron, would have added an estimated $59 million to his estate.
This reverse-Robin Hood policy would cost a loss in revenue of about $850,000,000,000.00 that would have to be made up by taxing the poorest 98% of American taxpayers at a higher rate. All during a time when we are at a war that has additionally cost us over $537,000,000,000.00 so far. Rather than helping the needs of the American worker, Gramm’s “welfare for the rich” plans serve to concentrate wealth amongst a handful of his elite Republican Texas oil cronies…
Later, after his remarks received widespread criticism, Gramm stated, “I’m not going to retract any of it. Every word I said was true.”
No retraction, no apology for being misleading. Sound familiar? To me, this “selling” by Gramm is pure bait and switch in it’s worst form.
When greedy, unethical practices are flaunted at such a high level, it is no wonder that small-time businesses would emulate less-than-truthful behavior with impunity thinking that they have the blessings of the party in power.
F*ck sales people like that. BIG cheers on standing up to them and calling them out.
Whiplash, I appreciate the support and your own small business experience/anecdotes. But I’m hoping the lengthy political analogy doesn’t turn into a thread hijack.
No, let me rephrase that for the benefit of future commenters: This thread is not going to turn into a political thread. ;-)
Bacchus, I love it when you post these examinations of online culture. Thanks for sharing.
Ah, Bacchus, I understand why you want to keep this thread on topic, but I cannot take Whiplash’s comments lying down.
The estate tax does cripple and kill family farms. Small farms typically do not have enough income to pay taxes at market value when they are next to anything but other farms. Even with the current trends to local farming and bad housing market, the estate tax forces small farms to sell of large amount of land to developers. In addition, it taxes families at a higher rate for having shorter lifespans. In particular, white women live 11 years longer than black men in the United States, but most of us feel they should be taxed the same. Certainly we could use some kind of tax on hoarded wealth, but the estate tax is not it.
I know you’ll probably step on it, but I kept is short as I could anyway.
Bleys, I am happy to have the counterpoint, and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for keeping it brief. Hopefully we won’t need to take that discursion any further.
Simply brilliant.
You, sir, were succinct, well spoken, and definitely called them on their shady ways, and you know what?
That’s just as arousing as the other things you post!
Well done.
-s
Thank you for pointing this out. I have been wondering for a while now why salespeople think they can earn my business by deception. I am starting to wonder if the average person is really so dumb that they fall for this sort of thing. It would seem that these sorts of unethical practices would disappear if they didn’t work. So, I’m left with the uncomfortable conclusion that this really is a feasible marketing strategy, and that scares me.
It’s posts like this that make your website great. And Dr. Whiplash, if you are running for office, you certainly have my vote.
Great responses and kudos for calling them out.
But I think you probably wrong, as an empirical matter, in saying that lying is bad business. If it was, I’m pretty sure people wouldn’t do it. If salespeople were going broke doing it they would stop it. “Not working for you” is very different from “not working in general.”
For every idiot unethical salesman there are enough easy marks out there to feed the salesman’s children, don’t you think? I don’t know that… it’s just my sense of how the world works.
I mean all spam is playing the odds, and there really are people who will fall for Nigerian money transfer scams…
Mike, that’s an interesting comment. Up until the era of the internet, I think you were mostly right — the pain of getting caught lying once in a while was vastly outweighed for most businesses by the rich profits from doing so.
It’s my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of people smarter than me, that the internet has changed all that. If you’re fly-by-night (so you can launder your identity every time you get caught) nothing much has changed; if anything, the internet may make such operations easier. But if you’re a real company with real offices in a real place and you have a real reputation that matters to your business, it’s now the case that the cost of getting caught is much higher than it used to be. Companies have been destroyed, or taken very serious hits, because of single instances of misbehavior; if it happens to go viral on the internet, a single misdeed can wreck years of reputation and goodwill.
Which is why I called lying to bloggers “stupid” in one of my etology.com emails. I don’t have the sort of blog that’s likely to take this particular set of lies viral, and these lies are not sexy enough to do company-destroying damage in any case. But for as long as I run this blog, people Googling for info on Etology are going to find out about the company’s shady business practices, and some of those people are going to care, and choose to take their ad inventory elsewhere. Was the benefit of the lies worth that reputation cost? I doubt it. If the company had repudiated the lies, they probably could have gotten away undamaged; but given repeated opportunities, they chose to go the spin and whitewash route, unable to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with the business practice. In the pre-internet era, that would have been smart business. In the internet era, it’s bone stupid.
I’m one of the top submitters at uribl.com, a domain blacklist used by (amongst others) spamassassin to check if mail is spam. I was surprised to discover etology.com is not on it yet – I have the habit of submitting (and generally getting accepted) the first pitch you describe – I get quite a few as well. I suggest you get an submitters account there as well, and help the community against spammers like this.
I have a question for everyone then.
Is this a misguided attempt by a single company or a trend in attempts at marketing in the larger business scale?
While the small business community cannot afford to lose trust, larger companies tend to ‘creatively interpret’ truths on a regular basis. Good examples so far; healthy food that isn’t, luxury vehicles that may not be (anyone notice that the Escalade and the Avalache are incredibly similar?), etc.
I’m not out to start a political issue. I’m just wondering if this attempt on Bacchus was by a company that thinks (incorrectly most likely) it will be successful by following the same model.
Kevin, in trying to be as fair as possible about this whole mess, I think it’s worth pointing out that I have no evidence that this particular marketing misdeed was company policy. The odds of it being an over-reach by one particular saleswoman seem to me to be fairly high.
Tailynn appears to be unrepentantly dishonest. Jeff Sue, another “account manager”, has proven himself willing to deny the obvious lie in the best tradition of the Iraqi Minister of Defense. (“American tanks? What American tanks? There are no American tanks within a hundred miles of Bagdad! That noise you hear is not tank treads, it is air conditioning equipment!”) Etology’s CEO, Brock Purpura, was copied by Jeff Sue with Jeff’s spin letter, and provided by me with a link to this post and comment thread, but he has chosen to remain silent. Etology’s failing here is not (has not been demonstrated to be, I should say) a deliberate policy of deception; rather, Etology’s failing is thinking you can lie to bloggers in the internet age and then pretend you didn’t, with no loss of reputation to your company. Basically, Etology is showing itself to be a “doesn’t get it” old-media corporate dinosaur, which is pretty funny for what is supposed to be one of the cutting-edge internet-media advertising companies.
I got the email you got. Here’s what’s frustrating: you spent all that time and effort getting them to come clean, and they’re only just going to find some other slimy approach and do it all over again to others.
The other day I got one of the “I really love your blog and the product I want to advertise is sooooo compatible” approaches. I personalize this sort of thing. It pisses me off no end to spend even a moment considering how what I write and surgical penis enhancement have anything in common.
Good for you for pinning these guys to the wall!
Hugs,
rg
Thanks for the data point, rg. As you might imagine, I’m skeptical of the claim that this was only a “few” emails like this that got sent out.
Sadly, I don’t think I got them to come clean — they were very careful about not repudiating this approach, trying to claim it was all a big misunderstanding on my part. I’m not confident they’ll find “some other slimy approach” because they never even said they were done using this one.
Although I found this site by accident, I found your experience with business spam email enlightening. Thanks for taking the time to share the process with us.
Keep on fighting
Bacchus, well done on calling them on their crap. I found this blog by accident (a Google search for lesbian porn (if you can believe that ;)) and have found your posts on actual erotica to be very well informed. This post beats them all though.
You are right, they never did admit that the lie was against corporate policy and they never said that any actions were taken against Tai for breaching it. They used weasel words throughout and tried to skirt around the side of the issue without dealing with the main complaint.
I understand how ethics and truth are the underpinning of the relationship you build with your customer (former computer salesman – shop floor). We had one guy on our team and everyone knew that when he was talking to a customer, one of us had to be listening in and intervene where necessary (he really would tell them that the computer would make them toast and tea in the morning).
Also – you are the winner of the Internet for using the word ‘mendacious’ twice. Sheer brilliance.