Sex And Submission
A new kinky site is out: Sex And Submission!
If you like your sex at all kinky, you’ll have noticed that genuinely kinky hard core porn is very hard to find. Bondage and spanking photos are a dime a dozen, but how often do you see a pretty woman in a leather collar with her wrists tied giving a big sloppy enthusiastic blowjob? Or bouncing happily up and down on some male porn star prong with her wrists clipped to the D-rings on her collar?
I’m not saying you can’t find it, but it’s not common and it’s rarely commercial. In the United States, this has something to do (I’m told) with porn-industry-standard “rules of thumb” designed to help porn producers avoid judicial unpleasantry in all the most sexually conservative corners of the country where their porn might get sold.
So imagine my suprise today to discover that one of my favorite porn producers (the folks who, from their bastion of permissive community standards in San Francisco, put out sites like the oddly transgressive Ultimate Surrender girl/girl wrestling site, the justly famous Hogtied bondage site, or the sadly-defunct Real Fucking Couples) has crossed the line in a big way with their new site called Sex and Submission. For the first time that I’ve seen, an American porn company is making real BDSM porn that includes tight bondage, hard spanking, and real unfaked sex.
Let me illustrate by pointing to this Sex And Submission shoot, which opens with an almost stereotypical, even banal, BDSM tableau. Here’s a pretty woman (Lori Alexia) on her knees, on a leash but not otherwise bound, looking hungrily in the direction of some fellow’s presumably masterful erection:
Of course, every two-bit BDSM pornographer in the last twenty years has shown you a picture like that, teasing you into hoping that she’ll be naked and tied (or chained, or whatever) in the next picture, and sucking like mad (still tied) in the picture after that. But if you bought the tease, you’d be disappointed. In the bad stuff, the leash is as good as the bondage gets; in the better stuff, her bondage gets more severe, and you might eventually see his penis held near her face, almost-but-not-quite in range of her tongue. And then in the next shot, you’ll looking at a blowjob closeup. And in the shot after that, they are going at it hammer and tongs — and she’s not tied any more. There are endless (and sometimes very creative) variations on the theme, but somehow the bondage and the sex never seem to make it into the same photographic frame.
In sharp contrast to those tired old ruses, Sex and Submission (astonishingly) appears to be delivering on the tease. In the shoot I took that photo from, it’s followed by a spanking photo, a picture of her being tied up tight with real rope, a display shot of her still leashed, but now topless with her hands tied behind, and then (philandering Zeus smite me if I lie!) two photos of her sucking intently on the man’s dick with her hands still tied and his tight grip on the leash “encouraging” her. I saw that and like to dropped my teeth. It’s a thing that (up until now) just wasn’t done.
Nor is it just a fluke. In this shoot, the Sex and Submission people have lovely Jamie all bent over in a short wooden pillory:
Again, every BDSM pornographer has got one of these pillories, and an endless supply of cute girls to put in it. You can find a hundred thousand versions of the inevitable weary flogging. But have you ever before seen the male talent take the obvious advantage of the situation and get a pillory blowjob? Perhaps I’ve led a sheltered life, because I haven’t. Until now.
When one does actually find this sort of real BDSM porn in odd foreign corners of the net, there’s always the additional worry that the scenes depicted might not be fully consensual. That’s the trouble with bondage sex — the vast majority of it as actually practiced in bedroooms and dungeons throughout the land is relentlessly consensual, but it’s neither easy nor desirable to portray that consent in a still photo. These galleries, made in America by a reputable producer of known fixed address, go a long way toward alleviating those sorts of concerns.
I’ll shut up now. It’s time to play one of my favorite games with The Nymph — the one where I show her pictures on my computer screen and she says “Eek!” (while observing avidly between widely-spaced fingers over her eyes). Y’see, she’s actually the carpenter of the family….
Update: There’s a rather heated comment to this post asking why “only the women are portrayed as submissives” and “will this company be fair and show men who are getting spanked and tied and fucked?” The answer, of course, is not “sexism” as the commenter proposes. In fact, the answer to the latter question is simply “Yes.” The company in question has had such a site for years, called Men in Pain. Here’s a shoot featuring a man in severe bondage being caned, flogged, and penetrated anally and orally by powerful women. Sorry, Michelle, that dog just won’t hunt. Unless the sexism runs the other way? Why has it long been OK to show this sort of explicit submissive bondage sex when the man is the recipient, but not when the woman is?
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Thanks a lot for the link!! :-) I think I’ll join …
I really do like that short pillory, I’m just not sure I’m brave enough to make one. But then again, I really like the position it puts her in. Yummy!
well that’s all well and good, but how come only the women are portrayed as submissives? submission is not an exclusively feminine quality. in this genre, it’s fine and dandy that SHE gets tied and hit, but gee–it seems that men are too good for this kind of treatment huh? but women are supposed to like this, right?
look–i’m pro-porno. but there’s nothing revolutionary about porno portraying submissive women–even if it is showing actual sex this time. it is nothing more than an explicit depiction of male sexual domination, a common theme that is currently expressed in tamer terms in the porno industry.
so will this company be fair and show men who are getting spanked and tied and fucked? somehow, i think not. so why are THESE images verboten? i have seen pictures of men getting bound and hit by female dominants, but no pics of these guys getting fucked (not counting the bend over bf series, as that is not an s&m series). so what gives?
the sexism is pretty damn annoying. men are just as submissive as women, if NOT MORE. but only women are shown as wanting and being submissive. how incredibly retro.
they already have such a site, dear michelle. I refer you to Men In Pain, which is from the same company and features males being dominated sexually and explicitle be women.
LOL — Marcus is correct. Both Men in Pain and Whipped Ass from this company, and innumerable femdom sites from other producers, feature forced bondage female dominant strapon penatrative sex. It’s not remarkable, and never has been, because male submissive sex has never been as taboo (or legally risky) as female.
Sorry, Michelle, you may be pro-porno but the above rant shows you haven’t gotten around much. No more knee-jerk reactions please!
and the sex with submissives site featured the actor mark davis–isn’t he kobe tai’s ex husband? or am i just confusing him with another actor of the same name?
about working for a living: nothing is degrading about that. but some work, even voluntary, is indeed degrading. people having to train their replacements in the corporate world after a bout of offshoring counts as voluntary, yet degrading, at the same time. but porn actors have no union, and there’s no fair market rate when these actors sign away their creative rights to the images. jenna jameson is not degraded because she owns everything she makes. not so for lesser known actors. just because someone is willing doesn’t mean it’s not degrading. people are willing to work at mcdonalds–but that is still degrading work. working for a living is fine–but the working conditions should be fair. it is only recently (like last year) that cal osha cracked down on porn companies who won’t use condoms on the set. and yes, some actors make the bad decision to star in movies where condoms are not mandatory–they bear the responsibility for that. but they also shouldn’t have to make that choice if all companies followed the same safety guidelines instead of relying on self regulation. and whatever they pay a girl to do double anal sans condom will always be TOO CHEAP. this is her life here–even $10 g is too low a price, and if that’s not even the going market rate, that’s a shame. lara roxx got maybe $2g for that act–which is a pretty low market price.
yes, i’m aware that the human ass can stretch to the limit. we do have a lot of intestines after all. which is also the danger–it’s that much easier to lose things in there. the strength is also its weakness.
fair market price is only when you own and control your images, period. even with a fat one time payment fee, that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the profit companies will reap when they reissue those images in compilations and such. and yeah–when they use your images without your input because you signed away the rights to them that is degrading. i stand by that. this goes for the male and female talent.
I agree with Michelle. Unfortunately too many companies are profiting without regard for the actors and actresses. The company accountants and producers establish “market rates” and the level of safety (ro lack thereof). If every game in town sets the table, it is difficult for talent to move on to a situation that is more fair. The only way the needs of talent will be provided for is if the consumers demand it.
i visited the above link, but i still have a bone to pick. i did surf the top 100 femdom sites before until i saw a scat site and lost my lunch. i haven’t seen a guy do double anal or ass to mouth. and while these 2 acts don’t involve leather and any kind of bondage, it’s still humiliating and degrading (i mean bad in the sense that these girls didn’t get paid much and their asshole is shredded) and generally reserved for the female talent. not to mention it’s bad for your health, though cbt isn’t exactly good for you either. obviously the sex being featured in the femdom sites shouldn’t be done by amateurs.
i still maintain that watching submissive females have sex is unremarkable and retro. asian pron is very much like that, but generally w/out the standard fetish wear. shemale porn is something else though. that’s pretty much most of mainstream porno w/out the leather and funky devices. heck the most famous porn movie was about a blow job hungry girl next door who stuck a glass dildo in her. not standard s&m, but she did portray a submissive sexuality. also, the pretty girls being shredded at ass traffic are hardcore portrayals of submissive sexuality w/out the leather and bondage. no one’s choking and slapping these girls, but their asses and faces are cum rags.
in the blogosphere (though that’s not for profit porn) there is this huge preponderance of female submissive blogs. i have read maybe 3 female dominant blogs, and 2 male submissive blogs. or maybe female subs are just that much more literate–who knows? but when i se a glut of female submissive sites, they seem common place rather than rare and extraordinary.
i do find it disappointing that male penetration is seen as the province of specialized porn–though i did get an eyeful at the men in pain site, i never see this stuff in mainstream sites. so obviously, the idea of male penetration is pretty outre for the mainstream hetero porn audience, even if it is not legally risky or remarkable. there’s a million male sub for pay sites to be sure, but a jillion female sub for pay sites w/out the bondage and spanking but with shredded assholes and fecal flecked cum in their mouths.
maybe gay porn does ass to mouth and double anal. i will be surfing gay web sites to further my education…will i see double anal and ass to mouth in het porn where the guy is on the recieveing end? i haven’t seen this in the fetish sites, yet…or maybe i can be directed to a site that already does this…
Michelle, you seem to have a bad habit of fulminating from a position of ignorance. I’d really suggest “boning up” a bit more. I’m not going to respond to everything you said, just correct some factual errors and misconceptions:
1)”i haven’t seen a guy do double anal or ass to mouth.” A2M is vanishing, thank the gods, from the porn industry, for health reasons. Not gone yet, but going. Meanwhile, your instinct to check gay porn is right on — you’ll find what you’re looking for.
2)”it’s still humiliating and degrading (i mean bad in the sense that these girls didn’t get paid much and their asshole is shredded)” Erosblog is the wrong place to sugggest that porn of any voluntary sort is “degrading”. We’re sex positive here. And you’re factually wrong about the girls not being paid much — they’re paid the fair market going rate, which is all anybody ever gets for anything they do in this world. Unless you think it’s degrading to work for a living? Also, it’s simply *not* the case that assholes normally get “shredded” doing double anal. Go read the book “Anal Pleasure and Health’ and come back when you’ve got a better sense of what the human body is capable of.
3) “i still maintain that watching submissive females have sex is unremarkable and retro.” I never said different. I said watching them do it IN BONDAGE was remarkable. And it is. Common as hell in dungeons and bedrooms across the land, but very rare in porn. If you want to argue the point, email me three URLs to U.S. porn producers who feature this material. (That assignment is actually probably possible, but you’d really have to work at it.)
it regards to sexism the other way:
notice i didn’t say that portrayals of female submissives is wrong and should be illegal. notice my complaint was lack of male images and the one sided representation. basically, my complaint was lack of representation and equality.
it’s like when asian americans complain that they only see tv reporters and hookers in mainstream tv and film. nothing wrong with playing a hooker or tv reporter, but there’s something wrong when that’s all they’ll allow you to audition for. obviously, it’s gotten much better, but still a ways to go.
and really–i hardly see male sexual submission in mainstream het porn. do men take it in the ass in mainstream het porn? NO. only women get it in the ass in mainstream het porn. so men getting penetrated is still pretty culturally and visually remarkable, if not legally remarkable.
but i would love it if you directed me to a mainstream het porn site where men take a good hard ramming in the ass (not with s&m themes). women can take an ass ramming in non-s&m porn, but i’d like to see the men do it too. and if you know where this site is, please do tell so i can visit and become a paying member.
many porn stars (including jenna jameson) think recieving anal is the submissive position, even without the leather and spanking. again, aside from the bend over bf series, where are the mainstream het porn depictions of men taking it in the ass? not saying it don’t exist, but it must be very very very rare. i’ve heard of sam takes the shaft, but the one video i saw featured unattractive actors i couldn’t look at straight on. educate me please!
Oh, and just to clarify: there’s no doubt in my mind that there *is* indeed huge sexism in the American porn industry. But the worst offenders (or the best evidence) are in the gonzo/reality genres, not the BDSM genre. Michelle could make her points fairly if she did a bit of research, but I don’t think she can do so (as she tried to do here) using Sex and Submission or this post for her evidence.
I happen to know, perosnalyy, a few of the models and production crew over at the main production site for Sex And Submission. They’re all lifestyle BDSM folks. that’s the joy of these sites – the models are obviously enjoying themselves. The site goes through a lot of trouble to make sure of that. And there are interviews afterwards that let the models talk honestly about the scenes.
Oh, and they always use condoms.
If you want to see men being fucked in the ass, michelle, the fine folks at Cyber Entertainment have
Butt Machine Boys and Men In Pain.
So go subscribe.
a note on “one-sided representation”. the market exists for its demographic. people pay for what they want to see. it may be rather sexist now, but as more women seek pleasure in pornography, there is bound to be more balance. still… i know that there are a lot of women (even feminists like me) who get turned on by the fantasy of submission. not sure i would actually do some of this stuff, but it does fan the flames…
i thought the reason you dont see much of what you described is because its too legally risky to portray bound women having such acts performed upon them. am i wrong?
“…rules of thumb designed to help porn producers avoid judicial unpleasantry…”
Yup,that’s pretty much what I said.
This article might shed light on a few questions regarding S/M and sex representation in porn, even if the answers are confusing:
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(originally published on the Good Vibes Magazine) Until now, it’s had nothing to do with market demand; it’s been a legal dance around a very grey area.
But also think about this — has mainstream porn ever cared about the consumer?
Also, I just want to put my 2 cents in for the company behind the Men in Pain, Sex and Submission, etc. (Cybernet Ent.) sites; they are very, very cool people who put the comfort of their performers at the top of the list (even tho it looks intense sometimes)! What I mean is that they only have performes do the sex acts they really like/get off on in real life.
I would like to help all those individuals whom cannot fathom the thought that seeing a woman sexed in bondage is degrading, I am a woman in my late thirties, who thoroughly enjoys her sex, and not only do I visually find it stimulating to view as I can reminisce of the pleasures of bondage and pains that drive me to oblivion. I am not a slave to anyone, simply submitting my sexual energies for a higher bliss. And if pleasure by consent is a sin, then to Hell I shall reign.
Not enough can be said about both the secure usefulness and abject kinkiness of a good solid pillory. Every part of the body, especially the most intimate delicate so-called ‘private’ parts, which are completely accessible for whatever the excutioner wishes to do.
That girl on the pillory looks like the terminator in terminator 3 rise of the machines she looks georgeous in that position
Wow, that Michelle chick is all over the map.
When her point is proven incorrect by Bacchus or another poster, she just moves on to another helping of babble.